Jonathan Trott's stress illness

[Making_Splinters]

As a centrally contracted player it is the ECBs responcibility to be looking out for him and ensuring he gets the help and support he needs. If he had not been a centrally contracted player then it would be the county I would be questioning.

[D/L]

...but quite simply, Michael Vaughan, hearing that you're "Very sad and wish him a full recovery" is not enough, we should be hearing very humble apology for completely misjudging both the situation and the man.

To be fair, in saying he felt "conned", Vaughan was referring to the information put out by the ECB at the time of Trott's withdrawal from the tour and how later it seemed not to stand up to scrutiny.

[SaintPowelly]

I don't see how the ECB can be blamed, no-one held a gun to Trotts head and forced him to play last week.

[D/L]

I hope though that they keep the central contract open for a year-even if he plays not a single game this season - or at least until Jonathan tells them he's not available any more.

Not that I disagree with you, but with this wouldn't you then run the risk of Trott feeling a pressure to return ?

It would be a nonsense to continue a contract that only one party feels able to fulfil.

The ECB is not a charitable institution and I can't see Trott starving as a result of his contract being cancelled.

[Making_Splinters]

I hope though that they keep the central contract open for a year-even if he plays not a single game this season - or at least until Jonathan tells them he's not available any more.

Not that I disagree with you, but with this wouldn't you then run the risk of Trott feeling a pressure to return ?

It would be a nonsense to continue a contract that only one party feels able to fulfil.

The ECB is not a charitable institution and I can't see Trott starving as a result of his contract being cancelled.

Cancelling a contract because a player is battling with health issues, that sounds vaugely illegal and certainly unethical.

[Alviro Patterson]

Surely reasonably to point out the ECB have some responsibility in this case, as they've been managing IJLT's condition in recent times. And it fits into a pattern of many things going wrong for England off the pitch in recent times. And on the pitch.

Being employers the ECB certainly do, more so when David Warner realised Trott wasn't at it's best in Australia.

[D/L]

I hope though that they keep the central contract open for a year-even if he plays not a single game this season - or at least until Jonathan tells them he's not available any more.

Not that I disagree with you, but with this wouldn't you then run the risk of Trott feeling a pressure to return ?

It would be a nonsense to continue a contract that only one party feels able to fulfil.

The ECB is not a charitable institution and I can't see Trott starving as a result of his contract being cancelled.

Cancelling a contract because a player is battling with health issues, that sounds vaugely illegal and certainly unethical.

Based upon what we are told, "health issues" is a moot point.

Far from being illegal, no contract is enforceable by one party if that party cannot fulfil his obligations and that applies to people under contract in a wide range of professions.

[m@tt]

If a player suffered a serious injury not long after the awarding of a central contract (how long was Simon Jones out for after his first knee injury?), would the ECB rip up the contract? To use your language, D/L, such a player would not be able to fulfil his obligations. Of course, the difference between a physical injury and a mental condition is difficult to really get to grips with (and I don't profess to be able to do so).

When it comes to the "real world", people can have a certain amount of time for sick leave - though I'm sure some extra discretion can come in. After that, the sick days are effectively holidays. With Trott, it's slightly different in that his central contract is his base pay level - if he keeps his contract, he will still miss out on appearance and performance fees, win bonuses, etc.

[SaintPowelly]

I thought the central contracts for this year were yet to be announced, hence my opinion about not pressuring him, if hes already been given one then it shouldn't be cancelled.

[m@tt]

They run from September to September: http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/england/engla ... ts-2013-14

[SaintPowelly]

They run from September to September: http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/england/engla ... ts-2013-14

My mistake then, I thought it was start of the season, so April-April.

[sussexpob]

The ecb have a lot to answer. To be fair a sports physchologist, of which at least one works with every sports team, should be able to pick through the bs of a mentally unwell man in seconds. They are trained to do so, they are trained to respond to hyperbole, to see through words. A couple of well placed questions and most people crumble.

Can you hide it? Absolutely not. To become a problem that results in leaving work is the coming to head of probably months, maybe years of soul searching.

People who suffer from these conditions act erratically or may suddenly act unusual at times or in situations.

I don't believe for a second no one thought anythinh was wrong, or that he could have a medical professional buy the fact his anxiety disappeared instantly after two weeks. This is not hindsight, said this at the start

[D/L]

The ecb have a lot to answer. To be fair a sports physchologist, of which at least one works with every sports team, should be able to pick through the bs of a mentally unwell man in seconds. They are trained to do so, they are trained to respond to hyperbole, to see through words. A couple of well placed questions and most people crumble.

Can you hide it? Absolutely not. To become a problem that results in leaving work is the coming to head of probably months, maybe years of soul searching.

People who suffer from these conditions act erratically or may suddenly act unusual at times or in situations.

I don't believe for a second no one thought anythinh was wrong, or that he could have a medical professional buy the fact his anxiety disappeared instantly after two weeks. This is not hindsight, said this at the start

Or perhaps he'd never faced anyone like Johnson before and decided he didn't like it.

[D/L]

If a player suffered a serious injury not long after the awarding of a central contract (how long was Simon Jones out for after his first knee injury?), would the ECB rip up the contract? To use your language, D/L, such a player would not be able to fulfil his obligations. Of course, the difference between a physical injury and a mental condition is difficult to really get to grips with (and I don't profess to be able to do so).

When it comes to the "real world", people can have a certain amount of time for sick leave - though I'm sure some extra discretion can come in. After that, the sick days are effectively holidays. With Trott, it's slightly different in that his central contract is his base pay level - if he keeps his contract, he will still miss out on appearance and performance fees, win bonuses, etc.

As you say m@tt, physical ailments are more easily treated and difficult to dispute.

Not all people are entitled to sick leave in the "real world", the self-employed, for example. Most, though, will have insured against most forms of incapacity. I'd be surprised if the ECB had no such scheme to cover their players, though proving entitlement to the satisfaction of the insurer may be difficult in some cases.

[sussexpob]

D/l

Clearly your comment about Mitchell Johnson uncovers a complete lack of understanding. Think of it in terms of a metal in physics. If you load a weight onto a substance even way below a stress level it can cope with, continued loading of small amount of stress can produce cracks eventually due to creep.

The human mind works the same way. You can deal with stress levels through normal life but if all you are dealing with all the time is stress, cracks start to appear. Stress can start to make people think differently, they start to question themselves and because the mind strengthens consistent thought patterns, it creates default negativity in a person who does not escape stress, and thinking about the stress only strengthens the emotion.

At this point you tip the balance. Stress also has physical results on the body, your mind feels negativity and feels like it needs to fight an invisible demon, and starts to create physical mechanisms to help you. In reality though this means you body releases adrenalin, your breathing picks up, heart rate increases and you feel light headed. Most people haven't a clue what is happening and think they are about to have a stroke or a heart attack, or something is wrong with their body. Most diagnosis of serious stress related or anxiety related issues is by a doctor in an emergency room telling a person the symptoms are not real, and it's self created.

At that point the person is left pretty confused and exhausted. Far from helping, such a result is to leave the person thinking they are going insane and that they can no longer control their mind, and that cycles into even worse stress reactions that spiral out of control at this point, and usually result in total social exclusion.

The idea that such an issue happened because of a few bouncers is totally dumb, totally ignorant and offensive.

As I said before, it's testament to trotts bravery that he even picked up his bat and walked out. If you don't care to understand then please don't comment. It's hurtful to those that have tackled similar issues that your comments are so flippant and misinformed.