Jonathan Trott's stress illness

[Arthur Crabtree]

Harmi seems to be judging Trotty by his own struggles, on and off the field in 06-7. But I'm not sure you can do that. Just because Steve saw it through, doesn't mean IJLT could, or should have been expected to. What Harmi does describe is how unclear the situation still is.

He implies that he won't be welcome in the dressing room. Yet Trott was seen off home with a great deal of sympathy. Does Harmi know this? It may be that the dressing room feels it has moved on, but has it, with the team in flux? Trott scoring runs and helping the team not lose would be great for the dressing room.

A mess that Steve (or I!) hasn't made any clearer.

[captaincolly]

I think Harmison is still smarting from the homesickness jibes that were thrown at him during his career and maybe feels he was treated unfairly and that might explain his unusually strident comments.
I would be surprised if anyone in the dressing room is anything other than supportive of Trott but it's impossible to know for sure without also knowing exactly what was going on during the tour.

[sussexpob]

Harmison's opinion on Trott's Ashes exit:
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/cr ... ck-6865872

Where did this "the dressing room must answer all" crap come from? If Trott is on form and healthy then he plays, and I strictly couldnt give a toss whether or not Ian Bell or James Anderson think about it.

At this rate the selectors will short list 50 players for each test, with an alternative voting system being given to each whether by they list their preferences for six potential team mates.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Chris Tremlett describes a very compliant dressing room here.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/m ... and-surrey

[KipperJohn]

Harmison's opinion on Trott's Ashes exit:
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/cr ... ck-6865872

Where did this "the dressing room must answer all" crap come from? If Trott is on form and healthy then he plays, and I strictly couldnt give a toss whether or not Ian Bell or James Anderson think about it.

At this rate the selectors will short list 50 players for each test, with an alternative voting system being given to each whether by they list their preferences for six potential team mates.

Not sure why you've singled out Bell and Anderson - I suspect they'll be more concentrated on their own form than to worry about who else is playing. I've heard no comments from Bell about Trott or KP for that matter - hopefully he's got more sense. He doesn't appear to me to be the sort to stick his head over the parapet. Anderson is probably a bit more forthright, but with England currently without a coach, runs and wickets will count for more than comments in the media - or should do.

Anyway, the dressing room only exists once the team's been selected, and after the Ashes performance nobody in that squad's got any bragging rights to speak of.

I'm still unimpressed with the nonsense about KP's 're-integration' - never heard such a lot of tosh. The captain (Strauss) should have given him a private '*********** and got on with it. Like a bunch of fifth formers with a dozy headmaster.

[Arthur Crabtree]

The Mirror is claiming that Kirsten turned the job down because the ECB wouldn't let him make decisions such as the one they came to over Pietersen. Surely the most sought after coaches wouldn't want that kind of impediment imposed upon them?

[sussexpob]

Not sure why you've singled out Bell and Anderson

Random squad names, not saying that either has spoken out or would.

[D/L]

The Mirror is claiming that Kirsten turned the job down because the ECB wouldn't let him make decisions such as the one they came to over Pietersen. Surely the most sought after coaches wouldn't want that kind of impediment imposed upon them?

What they probably really wouldn't have wanted was Pietersen's corrosive presence in the dressing room. There was talk of Kirsten's taking the job well before Pietersen's sacking. Kirsten may have thought that trying to manage Pietersen was part of the job description. Why wouldn't he turn it down?

[sussexpob]

The Mirror is claiming that Kirsten turned the job down because the ECB wouldn't let him make decisions such as the one they came to over Pietersen. Surely the most sought after coaches wouldn't want that kind of impediment imposed upon them?

What they probably really wouldn't have wanted was Pietersen's corrosive presence in the dressing room. There was talk of Kirsten's taking the job well before Pietersen's sacking. Kirsten may have thought that trying to manage Pietersen was part of the job description. Why wouldn't he turn it down?

While KP is the specific example people will draw on, I think even from a general level he probably didn't want to take the job with the knowledge that the Captain and a few suits had more influence on what happens then he can.

[D/L]

The Mirror is claiming that Kirsten turned the job down because the ECB wouldn't let him make decisions such as the one they came to over Pietersen. Surely the most sought after coaches wouldn't want that kind of impediment imposed upon them?

What they probably really wouldn't have wanted was Pietersen's corrosive presence in the dressing room. There was talk of Kirsten's taking the job well before Pietersen's sacking. Kirsten may have thought that trying to manage Pietersen was part of the job description. Why wouldn't he turn it down?

While KP is the specific example people will draw on, I think even from a general level he probably didn't want to take the job with the knowledge that the Captain and a few suits had more influence on what happens then he can.

That's probably the case wherever one coaches international cricket. I couldn't see the BCCI, for example, not wishing to exert a degree of influence over anyone on their payroll.

[sussexpob]

Posted on the KP thread also...

KP coming out to say that he was the first to notice Trott was in a bad way


“I could see it, I just went to help him and said to him, ‘You just need to calm down a little bit, you’re putting too much pressure on yourself. Let’s see if there’s anything we can do.’ "Look, I really like Trotty. Contrary to popular belief I actually have a really good relationship with most of the guys in the [England] dressing room. "So for Trotty, I like to look after him and when I see him struggling – or I see anybody struggling – I’ll go and put an arm around them and see if they’re OK.

“I think the key to being successful is that the management, the captain certainly, understands each player and lets every single individual be themselves. I think it’s really important to do that – not set strict guidelines. It’s about enjoying the environment and getting the best out of each individual.”

[D/L]

Just what you'd expect from a nice guy.

No PR going on here at all?

[sussexpob]

Just what you'd expect from a nice guy.

No PR going on here at all?

Its clear that Trott and him get on. Before the Brisbane Test match we are talking about, Trott said this about KP

He’s been brilliant for us. He’s worked extremely hard at his game and is always keen to help everyone out. I don’t think he gets enough credit from the press or the people that don’t know him. They seem to have this image of him in their heads, this perception, but he’s not like that at all. He’s very caring. He cares a lot about cricket and he loves the game.

It’s not about whatever else comes with the success for Kev; cricket is number one for him and everything else becomes secondary once the Test matches start. I can see how people sometimes might think that he gets a little bit distracted because he’s got so much going on, but let me tell you, when he gets in those nets, or trains, or plays a match, he forgets about everything else and focuses solely on cricket.

The rest of us don’t play like Kev. He’s unique

[m@tt]

Trott is taking another break from cricket.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/con ... 37793.html

Think that has put paid to any chance of an international recall, but the more important thing is for him to get well again.

[ddb]

"Photographers have been found lurking in his garden and outside his daughter's school since his return from Australia."