Was there a golden era of test cricket? If so, when?

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When would you consider the quality of test cricket to have peaked?

The formative years - 1880 to 1899
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The dawn of the new century to the Great War - 1900 to 1914
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The post war recovery 1918-1928
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The Bradman era 1928-1950
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The 50's
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The era of professionalism 1960-1969
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The 70's
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The rise of West Indies 1980-1990
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The Aussie Ashes domination and the Waugh years - 1990 to 2004
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Re: Was there a golden era of test cricket? If so, when?

Postby sussexpob » Tue Apr 09, 2024 4:34 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:A final broader point (before I read the previous posts!) Are we not often naively disrespectful of the past? The thirties gave us myriad forms of jazz and folk. And the sophistication of Cole Porter, Astaire and Rogers and Ernst Lubitsch. There was Einstein and Freud. There was TS Eliot and John Steinbeck. And modernism. Picasso and Braque. It was time of great political conviction, for good and bad. There was no social media. So OK, people can run faster now. But is that so much in a sport of wit and learning?


Well outside the realms of this conversation, but history is remembered in the guise of who tells it. Remembering this era in terms of jazz music and arts doesnt tie in with the brutal socio-economic environment that was prevalent. I dont see pictures of the great depression and see people who went from breadlines in the morning, to dressing up as flappers and dancing to exotic music in the evening while drinking cocktails in a Great Gatsby setting. Maybe that is someone's story, but not one that woul have been recognisable to the masses. Certainly not in Britain, where there was no great temporary relief of depression after WWI, but a constant that went between wars, only getting "slightly better" than the worst times.

Its hard to make a case for this era anyway. Its a period where the world forgets its mistakes instantly, and makes them again, only doing so in more extreme and hateful ways.

They had Picasso, TS Eliot and Jazz.... hey also had the Holocaust, the Nazis, Stalin, the Ukranian famine, the great purge, the biggest economic depression in history, The Sino-Japanese War, Starvation in India....

Pretty lousy time to live anywhere.
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Re: Was there a golden era of test cricket? If so, when?

Postby sussexpob » Tue Apr 09, 2024 5:23 pm

For the record, I went for the Waugh years.

Under Waugh, the Gabba became the Gabbatoir. You felt that test cricket gained an extra dimension of competition; this was no longer a sport where one team won and everyone celebrated together with a beer and a sing song, Waugh brought a nasty and ruthless competitive streak, and that resonated and changed the game. And aside from that cold assessment of his team, Australia had so much talent (too much), and of various varieties. The brutal, uncomplex hitting of Gilchrist or Hayden, the artistry of Junior, Ponting or Warne, the metronomic consistency of Waugh and McGrath, or the sheer grit of a Langer. They were not only a great team, but pleasant to watch.

South Africa emerged from apartheid as a quality side, and understandably improved as time went on. I still consider England's victory in 1998 as one of England's greatest series victories, and a brilliant series to have followed.

West Indies declined, but Lara, Ambrose and Walsh continue the romance. Tests on TV at perfect times on dark winter nights. The 98-99 Series vs Australia remains the greatest I have ever seen, and one of the most unlikely results I care to remember. Lara v the all time XI.... Lara nearly won.

In Asia, Sri Lanka emerge as a incredibly difficult prospect to beat. They have arguably the best spinner ever, and pack the side with batting talent. A formidable prospect on any turning pitch, and with Murali, they could win anywhere too.

India finally start to emerge as a quality side. The bowling at stages prevents them from moving on to greatest, but there is a period around the millenium where Harbi looks like he might be another Warne/Murali, Kumble is doing the job, Srinath is a good enough seamer, and their batting line up is miles out in front. They never quite reached the peak, but watching them always a treat when Sachin or Dravid got going.

Pakistan were Pakistan. The era starts with wild fast bowling, and ends with the wildest off all time. Throw in a few decent spinners, and some good batting, and you again have a tough prospect away, along with a team that beats anyone on their day in any conditions.

NZ went backwards, and are probably the exception. BD join the party, and in a rare moment nearly shock Waugh's Australia in 2003. Zimbabwe until 2003 remain competitive, and with a couple of players who on their day made them tough to beat, if not consistently a great side.

And then there is England. I guess we can remember the detritous of the 90s, but sometimes its hard to forget we sometimes did better than we should have. Like in 1997 vs the Windies, when deep into the 5th test dominated by England there appeared a possible series draw out of nowhere. Or the 98-99 Ashes where another series draw was possible all the way to the last day when Stewie MacGill tore all our hearts to shreds with an exhibition of spin bowling. And inbetween, beating South Africa.

Feels like the most competitive era when accounting for all teams.
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Re: Was there a golden era of test cricket? If so, when?

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Apr 09, 2024 6:27 pm

Well, we agreed on that point!

The amateur code in sport was quite resilient. I remember Aussie domestic cricketers were semi-pro until about the eighties. Maybe nineties. In UK, footballers and cricketers used to find work out of season- apart from the famous few who were able to play both. I think rugby union was amateur until maybe the nineties and athletics nominally at least until fairly recently. People didn't have the leisure time, and there wasn't the money to make a living from it.

And yet, these sports were fiercely competitive. Amateur sport was where the cold war powers clashed gears and found prestige. Local sides genuinely represented their communities. Maybe enforcing the amateur code at this time was a way of ensuring you remained competitive. But the games remained huge events that mattered.
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Re: Was there a golden era of test cricket? If so, when?

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Apr 09, 2024 7:39 pm

I accept it implies a world probably best left behind. It's the gentleman athlete, the public image of Sebastian Coe. No surprises that UK made Chariots of Fire either. The notion of the officer class runs deep in our psyche and has probably done plenty of harm in some areas of public life, over many years.
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Re: Was there a golden era of test cricket? If so, when?

Postby sussexpob » Wed Apr 10, 2024 10:26 am

Is this resilience something organic, or was it an element of control implemented by a ruling class that had lost influence in the rise of sport as the biggest thing of cultural significance of the time? I very much view it as the later. Before the golden age of sport takes off in the mid-19th century, any sporting endeavours were in firm control of upper class institutions. Horse racing was incredibly popular, but upper class monopolies on betting existed. Any working class attempts to break these monopolies were treated as default illigmate operations, and this apparent criminality made sure that the working class never got near challenging the established upper class dominance or interferred with the steady flow of profits. Prizefighting/Boxing fell to working class influence over time, and was banned when the upper class stopped making money. It reappeared once the introduction of technology allowed rich promoters to turn it from a live event held deep in working class communities, to one that was beamed into cinemas across the land. Interesting how all the concerns about criminality, violence and what not disappeared once rich people found a way to monetise it.

Amateurism was not the default setting. Attempts by the FA to keep football amateur in the 1880s were already too late, as professionalism pretty much took hold as soon as football became officialised. It is very clear that working class players expected to be paid some form of wage for contributing their time and effort. The FA attempted to flex their muscles by kicking Preston out of the FA cup one year after it became apparent all of their squad had been stolen from Scotland's best talent, but this facilitated a mass exodus of players to the South, where the Southern League had started in competition with the Football League, and had no rules against professionalism. Tottenham Hotspur, from the Southern League, annihilated all their opponents in the FA Cup shortly after and the FA had to face the reality of caving in. A huge gap in quality had instantly appeared between the Football league and Southern league, and the FA teetered on the brink of losing its position as the rightful guardian of the game. They had no choice but to accept professionalism.

Footballers in the 19th century and early 20th century actually made a lot of money at the top end of the sport and the big city clubs. The FA and Southern League continued all the way to WWI with disagreements about player earnings, but the eventual compromise was to have a maximum wage set for players in order to better facilitate competitive leagues between smaller and richer clubs... this maxmium wage was many multiple times the average wage of skilled artisans of the time. And before the wage cap, some earned astounding money for the day. The very best could earn the equivalent of 100,000s nowadays in win bonuses if they won the league or FA cup. During the depression and the war years, this maximum wage never shifted, and lasted all the way until the age of hoolighanism killed the game in popular culture.... so there exists a period between say the 1940s and early 1990s where footballers wages were not very high in most cases. But when they became noticeably low, the money and popularity of the game had declined to an all time low.

Another example of it not being widely accepted as standard is Rugby. Football before the creation of the FA included all the rugby clubs, because they were considered the same sport with different interpretations of the rules (Sheffield + Cambridge rules became what we know as football, Rugby School rules became rugby). Once the rules were established, rugby clubs broke away and formed the RFU as a seperate code. Early on, rugby was as popular as football, with a huge following in the working class. It was a working class East London club (Blackheath I think its called) that pretty much made the breakaway from Football and created rugby. Almost instantly arguments broke out about amateurism vs professionalism. What was clear was, rugby could not exist in working class areas without players being paid. Clubs started to pay players the equivalent of their professional wages when taking time out to play or train... in response, the RFUs upper class elements demanded it stop, or that working class clubs would be kicked out the game and banned.

The net effect...... Rugby League seperated from Rugby Union. I believe the reason why the rules are different in both sports was because the RFU was the recognised institution of rugby in the world, and the splinter clubs that departed Union could not form a legitimate sporting association when one legally existed. To be legit, they needed to represent a sport that didnt exist... and hence we get the different codes with different rules. To this day, the distinction has retained Rugby Union as a sport of the upper-middle class and deeply rooted in the private school system. Rugby League became professional, and remained a mostly northern town sport of the working class.

Worth noting that RFUs fierce determination to stay amateur was a position of hyper hypocracy. Upper class players were routinely paid (and this remained), even at the time the schism broke between codes... the first BI Lions tour paid their amateur players. Amateur players routinely received benefits akin to wages. There cannot be any misinterpretation that this was nothing other than a move from the upper class to seize the game of rugby and exclude the working class. Very few rugby players moved to the professional code over the years (in fact, more have moved from league to Union chasing extra cash since professionalism). Plenty of Union players in the age of amateurism turned down professional deals from League clubs, often citing the fact that they would in essence take a paycut. Rugby Union was just a blatant form of shamateurism for much of its amateur days.

Now, finallly to cricket.

Professionalsim had been the standard up to the point that cricket was formalised into the county championship system. The upper class actually ditched cricket in the 19th century, it became a certain level of taboo to play. Its not really clear why, but there are records of rowdy behaviour and drunkness attached to high profile games in the early 19th century. The sport was kept in existence by working class teams and travelling professional sides, who would be paid to come to challenge local club sides with money at stake. These were popular, and continued to be until the 1860s.

At that time, the upper class u-turned. Its worth noting at this point that the upper class had no sport to call its own. All the other popular sports had become working class dominated, with their associations focused on widespread popularity. Cricket represented a sport where they could muscle into the control and governance fairly easily, and that is what they did. When the FA and the RFA were created, the upper class then responded by formalising cricket with proper rules. Those rules enshrined amateurism and player eligibility that were distinctly against the participation of the working class, and cricket was sold on upper class social culture and behavioural rules. Professionalism was all but banished. This amateur code became stricter and more resistive until 1948, and adapted inorganically to stop the tide of working class invasion into the game, especially at times when it inceased in popularity.

Much like rugby, this was total hypocracy.... "shamateurs" as they were called were regularly paid to play. But the reason why it became stricter was because the shamateurs were upper class or educated people who simply made money from cricket, but didnt need it for the livelihoods. These loopholes started to be exploited by the players of working class origin, so the rules were redefined constantly to close those loopholes.

Its therefore nothing to do with competition or protecting the sanctity of sport not being dominated by money. Cricket was dominated by money, because the only people who could play it were independently wealthy. Gentleman players would go to private school and stand out, would then filter to a varsity side or famous invitational only club to excel, and then move onto county cricket. It was a total parallel system to working class clubs based on open meritocracy, and who were barred. Much like rugby, you pretty much ended with amateurs who made money on the sly being ignored, but poor players making less money being sneered at.

And let's be honest..... you cant really consider this to be anything other than class based discrimination, when you had different dressing rooms for different classes. When players and amateurs would have different titles affixed to the scorecards to designate class. When players had to address their equal colleaagues as sir, and be treated as sub-standard humans.

Australian Ashes tours used to share the profits between the squad. England's players did not.
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Re: Was there a golden era of test cricket? If so, when?

Postby sussexpob » Wed Apr 10, 2024 10:36 am

To quote the great CLR James in "Beyond the Boundary", arguably the greatest book ever written about the game....

The imperialist ruling classes are the class of population that seems to have contributed the least to the game of cricket....it was the class destined to appropriate the game and convert it into a national institution, stealing it out of the hands of colonised populations and the British working class . Burnley, Bridgetown, and Bangalore all hold greater claim to being ‘The Home of Cricket’ than Lord’s.


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Re: Was there a golden era of test cricket? If so, when?

Postby The Professor » Wed Apr 10, 2024 8:02 pm

There's a strong argument to be made for a golden era of Test cricket at the period between 1890 and 1914. This era is particularly associated with England and Australia, which had established a strong rivalry by this time, including the famous Ashes series.

Here's why this era is considered golden:

Improved pitches: Pitches became better for batting, leading to higher scores and more exciting contests.

A flourishing of talent: This period saw a wealth of legendary batsmen and bowlers like W.G. Grace, Victor Trumper, and Sydney Barne
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Emphasis on sportsmanship: Cricket during this time was known for its high standards of sportsmanship, adding to the respect for the game.

It is by some distance the era that interests me the most.
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Re: Was there a golden era of test cricket? If so, when?

Postby sussexpob » Thu Apr 11, 2024 3:55 pm

The Professor wrote:There's a strong argument to be made for a golden era of Test cricket at the period between 1890 and 1914. This era is particularly associated with England and Australia, which had established a strong rivalry by this time, including the famous Ashes series


Until Pelham Warner took the MCC tour to Australia in 1903-04, I don't think we can really call anything that passed before as test cricket. These games weren't even considered to be "Australia v England" at the time, and it appears that the attribution of which games subsequently became test matches is somewhat random and arbitary. Why for instance is the 1876-77 tour of Australia awarded retrospective test match status, when it was a weaker tour than the 1873-74 one of NZ, where Grace's XI played a NZ team on more than one occasion? Many times before the MCC took control of tours, there would be multiple tours going on at the same time. In one Ashes, they had 3 seperate touring groups playing similar fixtures, so picking which of those tour matches became the international team afterwards is entirely random.
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Re: Was there a golden era of test cricket? If so, when?

Postby sussexpob » Thu Apr 11, 2024 5:15 pm

The Professor wrote:Emphasis on sportsmanship: Cricket during this time was known for its high standards of sportsmanship, adding to the respect for the game


In short, this is simply not true. While cricket writers of the time, which were all amateur players doubling up as writers, like to promote the idea of English cricket being the epitome of good behaviour and sportsmanship, it really isnt true.

The early Ashes tours were all dogged by match-fixing scandals, and freak unexplainable events in line with betting patterns happened all the time. England lost their wicket-keeper on one away Ashes tour because he was arrested in NZ during a warm up portion of the Australian tour for starting a riot, and him and a few of the tour managers ended up knocking out a bookie in a fist fight and were sent to prison. He had laid down a bet midway through a match that every single player would score 0. I cant remember the exact details, but after the bet was made the game went from a high scoring affair to everyone suddenly getting ducks. It was so obvious that the game had been fixed, the bookies refused to pay the England teams winnings.

Again I cant remember the exact details, but Arthur Shrewsbury also openly stated he though games he played in were being thrown all the time. I read an account of one game on tour in Australia where England played a very weak side. IIRC the details, it is believed that some England players bet on themselves to lose at very high odds, it was a match they were expected to dominate. They subsequently flopped in the match as planned and were asked to folllow on (and this is in the day where pretty much no team had ever won following on in FC cricket). The odds of England victory then went astronomically high coming into the fourth innings with a miniscule target. The Aussie team seeing the odds then bet on themselves to lose and wanted to throw the game. What followed was a succession of Aussie batsman chipping the ball lamely around to get caught out, and those involved in the fix on England's account purposefully dropping catches. England ended up winning by a few runs, and the fix was uncovered in the press on their return by a whistleblower.

This was common. Especially in the 1880s to 1890s period, where it was so common, even contemporary sources question the validity of pretty much all games. Bookies back then were allowed to be in the stands and take bets openly, and players actually had a history of making considerable money betting against themselves.

There is also a lot of evidence of punch ups about umpiring, punch ups between players.... lots of it.

You mention WG Grace.... this is a man that Cricket Monthly once described as "Cricket's biggest B*stard"..... he was notorious for his gamemanship and playing to win over everything. He ran out batsman who collided midpitch, mankanded people, the whole lot. He was also noted for aggressive behaviour, most famously on the 1873-74 tour of Australia where he fell out with everyone, and pretty much everyone on the tour refused to speak to him again (and tour with him). Its a reason often cited for why he only went on one tour of Australia, he was impossible to be around for any length of time. Alcohol is often blamed. He used to drink whiskey before tea time, and champagne after it.... even when playing. And he is said to have drunk so much wine on the boat to Australia, it was the main factor in why the tour returned a financial loss.

The funniest story about WG Grace's legendary cheating was during an Australia Ashes tour in the 1880s.... offering to pick up Billy Midwinter and take him to the Ashes game on the morning of Day 1, he instead had Midwinter kidnapped and taken to the Gloucestershire game (Midwinter had played as an overseas player for Gloucestershire while the Aussies toured) where he had no choice but to play for the county.... he then missed the Ashes test. You'd get put into prison for that now, but I think Midwinter and WG Grace were friends, so he seen the funny side.
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