On this day in 2014 England reach long overdue victory against Australia.
Alistair Cook and Ian Bell got the English effort off positively with a boundary laden partnership of 87. Cook, who had looked so hampered in the matches that came before, looked full of aggression in getting to a 53 ball 44.
Ben Stokes and Jos Buttler were key to England's success. Buttler struck four sixes to get to his score of 71 whilst Stokes got a 93 ball 70. They were both instrumental in getting England to their score of 316.
In the chase Aaron Finch raced out the blocks and scored a century but found no support from elsewhere to help him out. Finch's century always wavered around the run a ball mark and he showed a temperament and timing that no one else possessed. When Stuart Broad caught him off the bowling of Tim Bresnan it was game over for Australia.
Stokes also impressed with the ball - claiming four key wickets. First Australia's stand-in captain George Bailey, then the ever dangerous Glenn Maxwell followed by the threatening James Faulkner. Clean bowling the ever vocal Mitchell Johnson was the icing on the cake. The weak batting line up after Finch meant that within 47 overs Australia were all out 57 runs behind.
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Re: On This Day
by The Professor » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:03 am
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Re: On This Day
by The Professor » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:55 am
On this day in 2002 Lancashire and England's Winston Place died.
Place's life began in hard times. By the age of five he had been orphaned and was raised by his aunt. It is in the village of Rawtenstall that he began to play cricket.
He made his debut for Lancashire in 1937 after spending a year struggling to break into the team. Between then and 1939, Place was in and out of the Lancashire side. Place's career was then suspended due to war where he worked at an engineering firm.
After the war, Place, now 31, found himself as an opener for England - making his debut against the West Indies in 1948. Place played three times on the tour of the West Indies but was never selected again.
Place returned to Lancashire where he became a popular terrace figure until his retirement in 1952. Every year from 1946 to 1953, Place scored over a thousand runs.
On retiring Place was Lancashire's 13th-highest runmaker with 14,605 runs at 36.69 for the county.
After retiring from cricket, he became a first class umpire but missed his family and quit after a season to become a newsagent.
Place's life began in hard times. By the age of five he had been orphaned and was raised by his aunt. It is in the village of Rawtenstall that he began to play cricket.
He made his debut for Lancashire in 1937 after spending a year struggling to break into the team. Between then and 1939, Place was in and out of the Lancashire side. Place's career was then suspended due to war where he worked at an engineering firm.
After the war, Place, now 31, found himself as an opener for England - making his debut against the West Indies in 1948. Place played three times on the tour of the West Indies but was never selected again.
Place returned to Lancashire where he became a popular terrace figure until his retirement in 1952. Every year from 1946 to 1953, Place scored over a thousand runs.
On retiring Place was Lancashire's 13th-highest runmaker with 14,605 runs at 36.69 for the county.
After retiring from cricket, he became a first class umpire but missed his family and quit after a season to become a newsagent.
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Re: On This Day
by The Professor » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:23 am
On this day in 1968 a sudden collapse of wickets makes honours even on Day One of Australia v India.
Nawab of Pataudi won the toss and put a changed Australia team in to bat.
Bill Lawry's 66 was earned alongside his newly promoted partner at number 3, Paul Sheahan, who got 72. This made up for the loss of Bob Cowper who was dismissed for a relatively disappointing 32.
It was Doug Walters who took on the responsibility after tea. He joined the crease on the loss of Lawry and played well with Sheahan before the partnership was broken by Bishan Bedi, when he caught and bowled Sheahan. Walters then saw the quickfire loss of Les Joslin (7), Bob Simpson (7) and Ian Chappell (0). This saw Australia's score plummet from 219-3 to 245-6 at stumps. Walters ended the day on 50 with his new partner Barry Jarman on 2. Bedi and Erapalli Prasanna ended the day with two wickets apiece.
Nawab of Pataudi won the toss and put a changed Australia team in to bat.
Bill Lawry's 66 was earned alongside his newly promoted partner at number 3, Paul Sheahan, who got 72. This made up for the loss of Bob Cowper who was dismissed for a relatively disappointing 32.
It was Doug Walters who took on the responsibility after tea. He joined the crease on the loss of Lawry and played well with Sheahan before the partnership was broken by Bishan Bedi, when he caught and bowled Sheahan. Walters then saw the quickfire loss of Les Joslin (7), Bob Simpson (7) and Ian Chappell (0). This saw Australia's score plummet from 219-3 to 245-6 at stumps. Walters ended the day on 50 with his new partner Barry Jarman on 2. Bedi and Erapalli Prasanna ended the day with two wickets apiece.
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Re: On This Day
by The Professor » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:21 am
On this day in 1968 late wickets again render the day even between Australia and India.
The tone of the end of the Australian innings was reminiscent of how Day One finished. Doug Walters continued to plough on whilst all those around him faltered. Overnight partner Barry Jarman added only two more runs to his total. Whilst two of the last three batsmen did reach double figures, which is more than can be said about those that went before, only 26 more runs were added by the three tailenders. Walters added the other 41 runs to get Australia to 317. Erapalli Prasanna's dismissal of last man, John Gleeson, meant he finished with the best figures for India; 3-62.
Abid Ali, still a relatively new figure for India, proved his worth with a dynamic 78 that made up for the relatively early loss of Farokh Engineer for 17. Abid got his runs at a fair rate and was got out prematurely when he hit his own wicket. A careless end to an impressive display. India's top order continued to impress. Ajit Wadekar did not play with the swagger of Abid but took the impetus to Australia.
Wadekar and Rusi Surti looked like they may see the end of the day together but their partnership was broken when Bob Cowper caught and bowled the set batsman when he was on the verge of his half century. Just as yesterday, this precipitated a collapse where Surti was dismissed and then both Motganhalli Jaisimha and Bapu Nadkarni were sent back in the same Bob Simpson over. This saw India go from 178-3 to 184-6.
At the end of Day Two Nawab of Pataudi was on 14 and Prasanna was on 4 with India at 196-6 and 121 runs behind Australia.
The tone of the end of the Australian innings was reminiscent of how Day One finished. Doug Walters continued to plough on whilst all those around him faltered. Overnight partner Barry Jarman added only two more runs to his total. Whilst two of the last three batsmen did reach double figures, which is more than can be said about those that went before, only 26 more runs were added by the three tailenders. Walters added the other 41 runs to get Australia to 317. Erapalli Prasanna's dismissal of last man, John Gleeson, meant he finished with the best figures for India; 3-62.
Abid Ali, still a relatively new figure for India, proved his worth with a dynamic 78 that made up for the relatively early loss of Farokh Engineer for 17. Abid got his runs at a fair rate and was got out prematurely when he hit his own wicket. A careless end to an impressive display. India's top order continued to impress. Ajit Wadekar did not play with the swagger of Abid but took the impetus to Australia.
Wadekar and Rusi Surti looked like they may see the end of the day together but their partnership was broken when Bob Cowper caught and bowled the set batsman when he was on the verge of his half century. Just as yesterday, this precipitated a collapse where Surti was dismissed and then both Motganhalli Jaisimha and Bapu Nadkarni were sent back in the same Bob Simpson over. This saw India go from 178-3 to 184-6.
At the end of Day Two Nawab of Pataudi was on 14 and Prasanna was on 4 with India at 196-6 and 121 runs behind Australia.
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Re: On This Day
by The Professor » Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:40 am
On this day in 1968 there was a rest day between Australia and India so we look at the curious case of Les Joslin.
Joslin made his debut in this match and much was expected for his future. His domestic career was outstanding. At 18 he was the youngest player ever to score a century for Victoria and here, at the age of 20, he was making his debut. Many felt it would be hard for him to live up to his domestic career however he had a big fan in ex-Australia captain and current selector Jack Ryder.
Joslin was underwhelming in this match, as have so many other international batsmen been, however he never played for Australia again. He was taken on the 1969 Ashes tour but overlooked.
Within two years he had even lost his place in the Victoria team down to poor form and a knee injury.
After cricket he worked in the tobacco industry, and now works for a stud-breeding operation in harness-racing.
Joslin made his debut in this match and much was expected for his future. His domestic career was outstanding. At 18 he was the youngest player ever to score a century for Victoria and here, at the age of 20, he was making his debut. Many felt it would be hard for him to live up to his domestic career however he had a big fan in ex-Australia captain and current selector Jack Ryder.
Joslin was underwhelming in this match, as have so many other international batsmen been, however he never played for Australia again. He was taken on the 1969 Ashes tour but overlooked.
Within two years he had even lost his place in the Victoria team down to poor form and a knee injury.
After cricket he worked in the tobacco industry, and now works for a stud-breeding operation in harness-racing.
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Re: On This Day
by The Professor » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:04 am
On this day in 1968 Australia finally kick into gear to take the edge over India.
Nawab of Pataudi and Erapalli Prasanna spent the bulk of the first session of Day Three putting right the late collapse of Day Two. The overnight pair added a further fifty nine runs. It was Prasanna that got out first - the first victim of Eric Freeman. In the same over Chandu Borde went for a duck. When Freeman returned to bowl he went on to claim Pataudi and Bishan Bedi for 1. India were all out for 268 - 49 runs behind Australia.
Bob Cowper was the hero of the Australian second innings and at stumps was on 126. He had claimed his second century of the series and his fifth in total. He was set up through an 111 run opening partnership with Bill Lawry who fell on 51. Bob Simpson and Paul Sheahan fell cheaply - the former run out on 20 and the latter out on 22 off the final ball of the day. Australia had extended their lead to 271.
Nawab of Pataudi and Erapalli Prasanna spent the bulk of the first session of Day Three putting right the late collapse of Day Two. The overnight pair added a further fifty nine runs. It was Prasanna that got out first - the first victim of Eric Freeman. In the same over Chandu Borde went for a duck. When Freeman returned to bowl he went on to claim Pataudi and Bishan Bedi for 1. India were all out for 268 - 49 runs behind Australia.
Bob Cowper was the hero of the Australian second innings and at stumps was on 126. He had claimed his second century of the series and his fifth in total. He was set up through an 111 run opening partnership with Bill Lawry who fell on 51. Bob Simpson and Paul Sheahan fell cheaply - the former run out on 20 and the latter out on 22 off the final ball of the day. Australia had extended their lead to 271.
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Re: On This Day
by The Professor » Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:23 am
On this day in 1968 an Australian disintegration does not dent their chance of victory v India.
After Bob Cowper pulled Australia into the lead on Day Three a quick succession of wickets at the start of Day Four brought India right back into the game before lunch. In the first hour and forty minutes, seven wickets fell for the gain of 70 runs. As in the first innings it was Erapalli Prasanna who was the hero - claiming 4-96. Australia were the architects of their own fate as they added a further two run outs to take their total to three in the innings. They were all out for 292, setting India a target of 341.
Abid Ali and Farokh Engineer then came out hitting. Their opening partnership of 83 set the tone for the India innings. The 100 was on the board for India in just over an hour and a half. Despite this powerful start, India would have been best to remember the old adage more haste less speed as Australia's spinners soon brought them back into contention.
The two Bobs, Simpson and Cowper, got five wickets between them in the evening session, seeing India plummet from 120-2 to 180-6. India finished the day on 193-6 with Motganhalli Jaisimha on 12 and Bapu Nadkarni on 6. India needed 148 runs to win.
After Bob Cowper pulled Australia into the lead on Day Three a quick succession of wickets at the start of Day Four brought India right back into the game before lunch. In the first hour and forty minutes, seven wickets fell for the gain of 70 runs. As in the first innings it was Erapalli Prasanna who was the hero - claiming 4-96. Australia were the architects of their own fate as they added a further two run outs to take their total to three in the innings. They were all out for 292, setting India a target of 341.
Abid Ali and Farokh Engineer then came out hitting. Their opening partnership of 83 set the tone for the India innings. The 100 was on the board for India in just over an hour and a half. Despite this powerful start, India would have been best to remember the old adage more haste less speed as Australia's spinners soon brought them back into contention.
The two Bobs, Simpson and Cowper, got five wickets between them in the evening session, seeing India plummet from 120-2 to 180-6. India finished the day on 193-6 with Motganhalli Jaisimha on 12 and Bapu Nadkarni on 6. India needed 148 runs to win.
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Re: On This Day
by The Professor » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:20 am
On this day in 1968 India crumble away in disappointment to allow Australia to win.
The final four wickets that Australia needed were seized for the gain of just 4 Indian runs. Bob Simpson was the star of the show taking 3 wickets from 7 deliveries.
Despite two days of evenly pitched cricket, Australia won by 144 runs.
The final four wickets that Australia needed were seized for the gain of just 4 Indian runs. Bob Simpson was the star of the show taking 3 wickets from 7 deliveries.
Despite two days of evenly pitched cricket, Australia won by 144 runs.
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Re: On This Day
by The Professor » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:26 am
On this day in 1981 Australia and New Zealand played out a controversy laden ODI.
This is a match which be remembered more for moments of contention than for moments of cricketing prowess.
Australia won the toss and elected to bat and were going well until the 31st over. The Australian captain, Greg Chappell, was on 52 when he was seemingly caught by Martin Snedden. Inexplicably, however, umpires Peter Cronin and Donald Weser saw the catch, Chappell refused to acknowledge Snedden's insistence it was a clean catch and the umpires were forced to adjudge him not out. Television replays revealed that Chappell should have walked. The captain went on to add another 38 runs and formed a partnership of 145 runs between himself and Graeme Wood. The pair were instrumental in getting Australia to 235-4. This controversy acted as a mere precursor of what was to come.
New Zealand began well and the openers, John Wright and Bruce Edgar, put on 85 for the first wicket. Inevitably, Chappell got Australia back into it with the wickets of Wright, Geoff Howarth and Mark Burgess. Despite this Edgar marched on.
With one over left New Zealand were 221-6, needing 15 to win. Edgar was at the non-striker's end and Greg had chosen his brother Tony to bowl the final over. Richard Hadlee hit the first ball for four but was out to the next delivery. Eleven needed from four balls. Ian Smith came to the crease. His first ball went for two and the second for four. Seven needed from two balls. The pressure got to Smith and he went for a maximum and was bowled.
It was Brian McKechnie's job to hit a six to tie the game off his first ball and the match's last delivery. The Australian team were deliberating as McKechnie approached the middle. Greg Chappell asked his brother to bowl underarm. He consulted with the umpires as to the legality of this and the umpires informed the batsman of what was to happen. Chappell 'bowled' the ball and it dropped in front of the bowler and nurdled along the ground towards the batsman.
The repercussions of this, short term and long term, were disgust. McKechnie threw his bat away and walked off. Edgar flicked the v signs at Chappell and joined suit. It was not just the players who voiced their outrage. The New Zealand Prime Minister, Robert Muldoon, described it as an act of cowardice whilst his Australian counterpart, Malcolm Fraser, was forced into refusing to back the captain.
The Australia Cricket Board had the final say on the matter: "The board deplores Greg Chappell's action and has advised him of the Board's strong feelings on this matter and of his responsibilities of Australia's captain to uphold the spirit of the game at all times. We acknowledge his action was within the laws of the game but that it was totally contrary to the spirit in which cricket has been, and should be, played"
This is a match which be remembered more for moments of contention than for moments of cricketing prowess.
Australia won the toss and elected to bat and were going well until the 31st over. The Australian captain, Greg Chappell, was on 52 when he was seemingly caught by Martin Snedden. Inexplicably, however, umpires Peter Cronin and Donald Weser saw the catch, Chappell refused to acknowledge Snedden's insistence it was a clean catch and the umpires were forced to adjudge him not out. Television replays revealed that Chappell should have walked. The captain went on to add another 38 runs and formed a partnership of 145 runs between himself and Graeme Wood. The pair were instrumental in getting Australia to 235-4. This controversy acted as a mere precursor of what was to come.
New Zealand began well and the openers, John Wright and Bruce Edgar, put on 85 for the first wicket. Inevitably, Chappell got Australia back into it with the wickets of Wright, Geoff Howarth and Mark Burgess. Despite this Edgar marched on.
With one over left New Zealand were 221-6, needing 15 to win. Edgar was at the non-striker's end and Greg had chosen his brother Tony to bowl the final over. Richard Hadlee hit the first ball for four but was out to the next delivery. Eleven needed from four balls. Ian Smith came to the crease. His first ball went for two and the second for four. Seven needed from two balls. The pressure got to Smith and he went for a maximum and was bowled.
It was Brian McKechnie's job to hit a six to tie the game off his first ball and the match's last delivery. The Australian team were deliberating as McKechnie approached the middle. Greg Chappell asked his brother to bowl underarm. He consulted with the umpires as to the legality of this and the umpires informed the batsman of what was to happen. Chappell 'bowled' the ball and it dropped in front of the bowler and nurdled along the ground towards the batsman.
The repercussions of this, short term and long term, were disgust. McKechnie threw his bat away and walked off. Edgar flicked the v signs at Chappell and joined suit. It was not just the players who voiced their outrage. The New Zealand Prime Minister, Robert Muldoon, described it as an act of cowardice whilst his Australian counterpart, Malcolm Fraser, was forced into refusing to back the captain.
The Australia Cricket Board had the final say on the matter: "The board deplores Greg Chappell's action and has advised him of the Board's strong feelings on this matter and of his responsibilities of Australia's captain to uphold the spirit of the game at all times. We acknowledge his action was within the laws of the game but that it was totally contrary to the spirit in which cricket has been, and should be, played"
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Re: On This Day
by The Professor » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:26 am
On this day in 1981 Australia and New Zealand played out a controversy laden ODI.
This is a match which be remembered more for moments of contention than for moments of cricketing prowess.
Australia won the toss and elected to bat and were going well until the 31st over. The Australian captain, Greg Chappell, was on 52 when he was seemingly caught by Martin Snedden. Inexplicably, however, umpires Peter Cronin and Donald Weser saw the catch, Chappell refused to acknowledge Snedden's insistence it was a clean catch and the umpires were forced to adjudge him not out. Television replays revealed that Chappell should have walked. The captain went on to add another 38 runs and formed a partnership of 145 runs between himself and Graeme Wood. The pair were instrumental in getting Australia to 235-4. This controversy acted as a mere precursor of what was to come.
New Zealand began well and the openers, John Wright and Bruce Edgar, put on 85 for the first wicket. Inevitably, Chappell got Australia back into it with the wickets of Wright, Geoff Howarth and Mark Burgess. Despite this Edgar marched on.
With one over left New Zealand were 221-6, needing 15 to win. Edgar was at the non-striker's end and Greg had chosen his brother Tony to bowl the final over. Richard Hadlee hit the first ball for four but was out to the next delivery. Eleven needed from four balls. Ian Smith came to the crease. His first ball went for two and the second for four. Seven needed from two balls. The pressure got to Smith and he went for a maximum and was bowled.
It was Brian McKechnie's job to hit a six to tie the game off his first ball and the match's last delivery. The Australian team were deliberating as McKechnie approached the middle. Greg Chappell asked his brother to bowl underarm. He consulted with the umpires as to the legality of this and the umpires informed the batsman of what was to happen. Chappell 'bowled' the ball and it dropped in front of the bowler and nurdled along the ground towards the batsman.
The repercussions of this, short term and long term, were disgust. McKechnie threw his bat away and walked off. Edgar flicked the v signs at Chappell and joined suit. It was not just the players who voiced their outrage. The New Zealand Prime Minister, Robert Muldoon, described it as an act of cowardice whilst his Australian counterpart, Malcolm Fraser, was forced into refusing to back the captain.
The Australia Cricket Board had the final say on the matter: "The board deplores Greg Chappell's action and has advised him of the Board's strong feelings on this matter and of his responsibilities of Australia's captain to uphold the spirit of the game at all times. We acknowledge his action was within the laws of the game but that it was totally contrary to the spirit in which cricket has been, and should be, played"
This is a match which be remembered more for moments of contention than for moments of cricketing prowess.
Australia won the toss and elected to bat and were going well until the 31st over. The Australian captain, Greg Chappell, was on 52 when he was seemingly caught by Martin Snedden. Inexplicably, however, umpires Peter Cronin and Donald Weser saw the catch, Chappell refused to acknowledge Snedden's insistence it was a clean catch and the umpires were forced to adjudge him not out. Television replays revealed that Chappell should have walked. The captain went on to add another 38 runs and formed a partnership of 145 runs between himself and Graeme Wood. The pair were instrumental in getting Australia to 235-4. This controversy acted as a mere precursor of what was to come.
New Zealand began well and the openers, John Wright and Bruce Edgar, put on 85 for the first wicket. Inevitably, Chappell got Australia back into it with the wickets of Wright, Geoff Howarth and Mark Burgess. Despite this Edgar marched on.
With one over left New Zealand were 221-6, needing 15 to win. Edgar was at the non-striker's end and Greg had chosen his brother Tony to bowl the final over. Richard Hadlee hit the first ball for four but was out to the next delivery. Eleven needed from four balls. Ian Smith came to the crease. His first ball went for two and the second for four. Seven needed from two balls. The pressure got to Smith and he went for a maximum and was bowled.
It was Brian McKechnie's job to hit a six to tie the game off his first ball and the match's last delivery. The Australian team were deliberating as McKechnie approached the middle. Greg Chappell asked his brother to bowl underarm. He consulted with the umpires as to the legality of this and the umpires informed the batsman of what was to happen. Chappell 'bowled' the ball and it dropped in front of the bowler and nurdled along the ground towards the batsman.
The repercussions of this, short term and long term, were disgust. McKechnie threw his bat away and walked off. Edgar flicked the v signs at Chappell and joined suit. It was not just the players who voiced their outrage. The New Zealand Prime Minister, Robert Muldoon, described it as an act of cowardice whilst his Australian counterpart, Malcolm Fraser, was forced into refusing to back the captain.
The Australia Cricket Board had the final say on the matter: "The board deplores Greg Chappell's action and has advised him of the Board's strong feelings on this matter and of his responsibilities of Australia's captain to uphold the spirit of the game at all times. We acknowledge his action was within the laws of the game but that it was totally contrary to the spirit in which cricket has been, and should be, played"
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Re: On This Day
by Arthur Crabtree » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:58 am
Trevor Chappell could have said no.
This incident feels like it's Australia's Bodyline.
This incident feels like it's Australia's Bodyline.
I always say that everybody's right.
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Re: On This Day
by GarlicJam » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:44 pm
I am in the minority on this incident.
I think that it was a smart tactical move by Chappell (Greg), and have been stunned by the hoo-har about it ever since.
It was "deplorable" because of some etheral spirit of the game - yet was in the bloody laws of the game. Maybe the laws were against the spirit then? Professional sportsplayers have a job to do, and risk their careers if they don't do it. One of the main parts of their job is to win. A T20 bowler will try everything to get the delivery out of the reach of the batsman, but that is fine? The double standards applied to this incident has confused me for close on 40 years.
New Zealanders love the Underarm Incident. They pretend to hate it, and be disgusted by it, but it gives them something solid to centre their hatred and vitriol to Australian sports in general. I heard about it a fair bit when I was living there in the early 90's, but they couldn't expand on the reasons for their disgust beyond "the spirit" and the fact that a former PM - who they otherwise professed to all hate - had called it cowardice. When AB Rugby prop Richard Loe spread the nose of Aus winger Paul Carozza across his face - Carozza had just scored a try and was laying on his back when Loe landed on his face elbow first (Loe later admitted it was deliberate) - Kiwis claimed it was all part of the game (Brian O'Driscoll, anyone?). Kiwis did get upset with Loe when he badly eye-gouged an Allblack team-mate in a provincial game. Loe's career was full of thuggery similar to these incidents - and how have New Zealand punishedrewarded Loe? By making him one of the best paid and highly visible Rugby Commentators/columnists in the country.
Illegal, violent, even criminal play is fine, but: "But those dirty Australians bowled a ball underarm to us 36 years ago. Disgusting!"
I think that it was a smart tactical move by Chappell (Greg), and have been stunned by the hoo-har about it ever since.
It was "deplorable" because of some etheral spirit of the game - yet was in the bloody laws of the game. Maybe the laws were against the spirit then? Professional sportsplayers have a job to do, and risk their careers if they don't do it. One of the main parts of their job is to win. A T20 bowler will try everything to get the delivery out of the reach of the batsman, but that is fine? The double standards applied to this incident has confused me for close on 40 years.
New Zealanders love the Underarm Incident. They pretend to hate it, and be disgusted by it, but it gives them something solid to centre their hatred and vitriol to Australian sports in general. I heard about it a fair bit when I was living there in the early 90's, but they couldn't expand on the reasons for their disgust beyond "the spirit" and the fact that a former PM - who they otherwise professed to all hate - had called it cowardice. When AB Rugby prop Richard Loe spread the nose of Aus winger Paul Carozza across his face - Carozza had just scored a try and was laying on his back when Loe landed on his face elbow first (Loe later admitted it was deliberate) - Kiwis claimed it was all part of the game (Brian O'Driscoll, anyone?). Kiwis did get upset with Loe when he badly eye-gouged an Allblack team-mate in a provincial game. Loe's career was full of thuggery similar to these incidents - and how have New Zealand punishedrewarded Loe? By making him one of the best paid and highly visible Rugby Commentators/columnists in the country.
Illegal, violent, even criminal play is fine, but: "But those dirty Australians bowled a ball underarm to us 36 years ago. Disgusting!"
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Re: On This Day
by rich1uk » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:51 pm
i'm kinda half and half on it tbh
i agree with GJ that its a professional sport and as long as its legal anything goes but whilst i have never played a sport at that level i'm not sure i could have done it myself as i do believe in good sportsmanship as well
i agree with GJ that its a professional sport and as long as its legal anything goes but whilst i have never played a sport at that level i'm not sure i could have done it myself as i do believe in good sportsmanship as well
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Re: On This Day
by Arthur Crabtree » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:32 pm
I always agree with GJ, but on this occasion I'm going to differ. Though I agree the Kiwis have done a good job at keeping the feud alive all these years. The underarm was still allowed in the same way that you're allowed to drive your herd over Westminster Bridge on Bank Holidays. It was a loophole that no one exploited because such an action was archaic and inconceivable. And because it never happened it stayed in the laws.
Any team could have magicked up a free dot ball by underarming, over the long years, and no one did. Because it was a moral cheat. It removed a vital ball from the game with no foreknowledge of the opposition. I actually think Aussies, of the country of the fair chance, actually agree with this, just that they snapped listening to NZers going on about it (which, as a neutral I find funny, because they really mean it). And maybe it got mixed up with a lot of other backwards and forwards malarkey. But we all know that plenty of things that are allowed, just aren't right
And finally, it was NZ! Who had hardly ever beaten Australia... ever. If it was the mighty West Indies and you hadn't beaten them in 20 years you might be tempted. But NZ. They needed six off one. What were the chances anyway? But come on. Give them a fair chance.
And yes, it's the vibe. No way would Bud Tingwell have given up his time to defend the two Chappells. Being fed up hearing about it doesn't change the rightness of the vibe.
Any team could have magicked up a free dot ball by underarming, over the long years, and no one did. Because it was a moral cheat. It removed a vital ball from the game with no foreknowledge of the opposition. I actually think Aussies, of the country of the fair chance, actually agree with this, just that they snapped listening to NZers going on about it (which, as a neutral I find funny, because they really mean it). And maybe it got mixed up with a lot of other backwards and forwards malarkey. But we all know that plenty of things that are allowed, just aren't right
And finally, it was NZ! Who had hardly ever beaten Australia... ever. If it was the mighty West Indies and you hadn't beaten them in 20 years you might be tempted. But NZ. They needed six off one. What were the chances anyway? But come on. Give them a fair chance.
And yes, it's the vibe. No way would Bud Tingwell have given up his time to defend the two Chappells. Being fed up hearing about it doesn't change the rightness of the vibe.
I always say that everybody's right.
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Re: On This Day
by GarlicJam » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:39 pm
Arthur Crabtree wrote:I always agree with GJ
I think my computer screen ran out of electrons - it was just a blur after this.
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