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backfootpunch wrote:
Compared to picking a 4th seamer in a series where 3 is arguably too many

There are sessions when one or two of the seamers didn't actually bowl

But I agree you look at roots figures and you have to wonder what cook was doing, he actually brought himself on too as soon as cook left the field and took two wickets, cook comes back on and sets terrible fields to jadeja and looses all the ground we had gained

if it was a straight choice between a 4th seamer or playing dawson i would have played dawson

i just dont think we ever need 6 bowlers, especially when root is there as a backup as well

but as we have all said it comes back to not having another batsman anyone had any confidence in

Jimmy is wicketless while 7 wickets have fallen. The conditions wont suit him. Only Steyn has bowled amazing spells here amongst pacers but there is difference of quality in both. I would not blame selectors mistakes on pace bowlers. Non performing pace bowlers of both teams in this series should not be dropped. They will be back to their average bowling returns atleast or at their best in favorable conditions.

backfootpunch wrote:

Arthur Crabtree wrote:He was England's best bowler in Kolkata last time, and in the ODIs. I'm not sure he was 'unselectable' for the tour. He was a surprise pick in BD for the XI, but he hardly bowled and didn't seem in good form. He's a bit of an enigma, and it might be time to move on.

When has Steven Finn actually won us a test Once? twice?

he never really recovered from the hitting of the stumps debacle

I don't want to defend Finn that much because I was quite skeptical of his recall in the 2015 Ashes. But he did ok in that series, and didn't fail in the SA tour. Had a poor summer, but that didn't make him a write off. Like Ballance though, the evidence for a recall wasn't convincing, but the justification for his dropping then seemed premature. He didn't seem the best pace bowler at Middx when he was brought back.

Arthur Crabtree wrote:I'd have picked 2+2. But then Mo and Stokes are getting in as top order bats. So that sort of accidentally gives you 3+3.

Credit to Rashid on the tour. Twenty wickets is superb. It'll be interesting to see how the spinners get on under a new skipper, when it happen.

Completely agree

20 wickets is very very good considering the ball barely turned in the first two innings of the first 3 games

He toiled well today and looked pretty good until he was asked to bowl a meter outside kohlis leg stump

Much better spinners have done a lot worse bowling in India

He's had a good year really and at 28 still has a long career ahead of him, if he can continue to improve

He should be given a run in the team and mo can concentrate more on his batting, If I had to pick a side with everyone fit it would be

Cook
Hameed
Jennings
Root
Moeen
Stokes
Bairstow
Rashid
Woakes
Broad
Jimmy

I could be persuaded to drop one of rash or mo and stick buttler at 7 and give him the gloves, we are short of batsmen so could do with Bairstow concentrating on that aspect of his game

But buttler would have to play more red ball cricket really

backfootpunch wrote:

Arthur Crabtree wrote:I'd have picked 2+2. But then Mo and Stokes are getting in as top order bats. So that sort of accidentally gives you 3+3.

Credit to Rashid on the tour. Twenty wickets is superb. It'll be interesting to see how the spinners get on under a new skipper, when it happen.

Completely agree

20 wickets is very very good considering the ball barely turned in the first two innings of the first 3 games

He toiled well today and looked pretty good until he was asked to bowl a meter outside kohlis leg stump

Much better spinners have done a lot worse bowling in India

He's had a good year really and at 28 still has a long career ahead of him, if he can continue to improve

He should be given a run in the team and mo can concentrate more on his batting, If I had to pick a side with everyone fit it would be

Cook
Hameed
Jennings
Root
Moeen
Stokes
Bairstow
Rashid
Woakes
Broad
Jimmy

I could be persuaded to drop one of rash or mo and stick buttler at 7 and give him the gloves, we are short of batsmen so could do with Bairstow concentrating on that aspect of his game

But buttler would have to play more red ball cricket really

i wouldn't be upset with that team, i do think its bowling heavy tho and bairstow is too good to be batting at #7

as i said earlier in the thread if you look at the records of players who have played a decent sample size both as keeper and as a specialist bat the difference in their averages is marked, part of that will be they probably batted higher as a specialist bat tho, and i worry that we dont get the best out of bairstow in the long run if he stays as keeper

i would actually leave ali out for tests outside the subcon, have rashid as the main spinner and play a different keeper, whether that be buttler or foakes

rich1uk wrote:

backfootpunch wrote:

Arthur Crabtree wrote:I'd have picked 2+2. But then Mo and Stokes are getting in as top order bats. So that sort of accidentally gives you 3+3.

Credit to Rashid on the tour. Twenty wickets is superb. It'll be interesting to see how the spinners get on under a new skipper, when it happen.

Completely agree

20 wickets is very very good considering the ball barely turned in the first two innings of the first 3 games

He toiled well today and looked pretty good until he was asked to bowl a meter outside kohlis leg stump

Much better spinners have done a lot worse bowling in India

He's had a good year really and at 28 still has a long career ahead of him, if he can continue to improve

He should be given a run in the team and mo can concentrate more on his batting, If I had to pick a side with everyone fit it would be

Cook
Hameed
Jennings
Root
Moeen
Stokes
Bairstow
Rashid
Woakes
Broad
Jimmy

I could be persuaded to drop one of rash or mo and stick buttler at 7 and give him the gloves, we are short of batsmen so could do with Bairstow concentrating on that aspect of his game

But buttler would have to play more red ball cricket really

i wouldn't be upset with that team, i do think its bowling heavy tho and bairstow is too good to be batting at #7

as i said earlier in the thread if you look at the records of players who have played a decent sample size both as keeper and as a specialist bat the difference in their averages is marked, part of that will be they probably batted higher as a specialist bat tho, and i worry that we dont get the best out of bairstow in the long run if he stays as keeper

i would actually leave ali out for tests outside the subcon, have rashid as the main spinner and play a different keeper, whether that be buttler or foakes

I would be happy with that tbh, I'm only picking mo for his batting really, if there is a better option I would drop him too

I very much like the idea of root, Bairstow and Stokes at 4,5 and 6

backfootpunch wrote:
I would be happy with that tbh, I'm only picking mo for his batting really, if there is a better option I would drop him too

I very much like the idea of root, Bairstow and Stokes at 4,5 and 6

i know he has moved up and down the order a bit but i would hope we could find someone better than a 33 average with the bat

so for outside the subcon you have

cook
hameed
jennings
root
bairstow
stokes
buttler/foakes
woakes
rashid
broad
anderson

in the subcon, swap ali for one of the three seamers

Adi wrote:Jimmy is wicketless while 7 wickets have fallen. The conditions wont suit him. Only Steyn has bowled amazing spells here amongst pacers but there is difference of quality in both. I would not blame selectors mistakes on pace bowlers. Non performing pace bowlers of both teams in this series should not be dropped. They will be back to their average bowling returns atleast or at their best in favorable conditions.

Jimmy actually had a very good record in Asia and India before this series

He's always had this thing that people say he can only bowl when it swings but his record in Asia in recent years is exceptional

It's south Africa and Australia where he hasn't done well

sussexpob wrote:

sussexpob wrote:Looks out to me that, id review it

No reviews left.... and yes, it would have been out had Anderson not wasted the last one with the most mind boggling of reviews.

Anderson wasn't interested. He didn't think the batsman hit it. Even Bairstow looked puzzled. Only Cook was the idiot.

We don't need 6 bowlers. 5 is more than enough. Woakes spells
3 overs
2 overs
1 over
2 overs
How is he going to get any wickets from that?

rich1uk wrote:so for outside the subcon you have

cook
hameed
jennings
root
bairstow
stokes
buttler/foakes
woakes
rashid
broad
anderson

in the subcon, swap ali for one of the three seamers

Hopefully Leach and Rayner can get a chance to show what they can do to challenge Moeen for second spinner. On some Asian pitches, you could even pick Stokes plus a seamer, and Rayner, Leach and Rashid or Moeen. Should the two untested spinners show up well.

Slipstream wrote:

sussexpob wrote:

sussexpob wrote:Looks out to me that, id review it

No reviews left.... and yes, it would have been out had Anderson not wasted the last one with the most mind boggling of reviews.

Anderson wasn't interested. He didn't think the batsman hit it. Even Bairstow looked puzzled. Only Cook was the idiot.

We don't need 6 bowlers. 5 is more than enough. Woakes spells
3 overs
2 overs
1 over
2 overs
How is he going to get any wickets from that?

Any thoughts as to why Anderson is not taking wickets?

Rashid bowled 28 consecutive overs.

England played four seamers, but took the new ball in the 130th over!

Is this tour losing its mind, much as the 2013-14 Ashes did?

For one Anderson not bowling much overs, not much swing either but really the crucial difference is in Anderson mentality been picking this up for a while since probably 2014 that Anderson quite often doesn't bowl at the same pace although he generally been bowling the same speed but it he does tend to just bowl now instead of having a presence now.
basically in the past you felt Anderson was always looking for wickets even in Asia but now he bowling dry all the time and Anderson is quickly going to the economical mode and once he does that batsman try to see him off.
plus he getting older and way more injury prone.

Good point, particularly about his defensiveness. Though that can be useful at times.At home, Anderson is probably still at his peak, in terms of results anyway. He can tend to come back slowly from injury though.

Slight chance India could win this today.

This hundred stand is a killer.