backfootpunch wrote:bhaveshgor wrote:backfootpunch wrote:
was nagpur the pitch that was going through the top after 5 overs?
yes it was, thought nagpur was a poor pitch but should have had more leeway since producing decks in india isn't that easy, especially if you want pace in them.
Delhi was the best of the lot and would be the indian version of this pitch.
even that game had loads of people complaining about it because it had so much turn lol.
just making the point that if people want pace in the deck they should know what the consequences can be in indian pitches.
By the way I like pace in the decks just don't like the double standard at play in India especially when those double standard are likely to make India produce those poor decks of where both teams score 500-500 in the first two innings.
end of the day people have to choose between a 3 days test or a dull 5 day draw. I know which one I prefer.
if you agree that it was a poor pitch i have absolutely no idea what you are complaining about
the rest of the pitches in that series were perfectly fine just incompetence from south africa and rightly they werent reported
had one of them been reported i could understand your attitude
that ICC will strike again and confuse the indian curators.
When Dhoni was having his rants about pitches during 2008-2012.
Curators always said ICC don't want turn in the first 3 days and they somehow got into their head that icc wanted 500-500 play pitches, they even assumed any spin on day 1 would see them getting banned.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-new ... 80065.htmlAlthough I would have to say Dhoni/Kohli are getting ridiculous since they do want teams to get all out for less than 200 in all innings.
Despite Ashwin and Ojha dominating the Hyderabad Test, Dhoni urged curators to prepare tracks with more bite for the spinners. "You know the subcontinental speciality should be spin and I think we should stick to it. In the last match the spinners got lots of wickets but still I thought it was a hard-working wicket for them. Ashwin bowled
India might have won the Ahmedabad Test - and to outsiders it might look like the perfect pitch, negating the England fast bowlers and offering some help to the Indian spinners - but it was just the kind of track India have had a problem with. A better batting line-up or better application from this line-up or a different outcome at the toss would have ensured a drab draw. For a while it seemed that India were uncertain about their own batting and had opted for safety in the first Test, but Dhoni's press conference cleared those doubts.
brilliantly and Ojha had to keep it tight so I felt like if we can get a bit more spin and bit more bounce for the spinners it will be really good."
this was against NZ, where the pitch was a good one.
http://www.thehindu.com/sport/cricket/d ... 662811.eceMahendra Singh Dhoni made a plea for having pitches that aid turn from the first day while terming the third Test as a ‘good game of cricket.'
“I want wickets that turn from the very first day because that sets a bit of panic within the opposition dressing room and of course at the same time you are under pressure to perform and that makes it interesting.
“I am hoping that we stick to our kind of wickets that turn from the first day so that the toss doesn't become very important,” Dhoni said.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-wes ... 35999.htmlthat was the game where a poor batting team scored 600 because the pitch had no turn in the game during first day.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-eng ... 92164.htmlIndia might have won the Ahmedabad Test - and to outsiders it might look like the perfect pitch, negating the England fast bowlers and offering some help to the Indian spinners - but it was just the kind of track India have had a problem with. A better batting line-up or better application from this line-up or a different outcome at the toss would have ensured a drab draw. For a while it seemed that India were uncertain about their own batting and had opted for safety in the first Test, but Dhoni's press conference cleared those doubts.
While Waugh is right in repeating that India need to play well in all conditions, he will also know it is not done through pitches in home Tests. Australia didn't prepare for their India tours through rank turners at Gabba. The other thing that is often forgotten is Dhoni has been driven into making these statements by groundsmen who just don't play ball. At times, even Sourav Ganguly and Anil Kumble have struggled to get groundsmen to give them home advantage.
Dhoni is not "always" asking for these conditions; he is almost pleading, "For once, let me have them." Nor is he the first captain to have asked for certain conditions in a home Test; it's just that he is doing so openly because covert conversations haven't had any effect.
Dhoni's first Test as captain was in Kanpur in 2008, a square turner that produced an exciting Test that ended in three days. Dhoni was standing in for the injured Anil Kumble then. Later that year, Kumble retired, and Dhoni took over full time. It's been four years since, and Dhoni has yet to captain India on a proper turner.
Consequently, even during their best times, India couldn't whitewash Sri Lanka, New Zealand and West Indies in series longer than two Tests, forget stronger teams. In four years, there hasn't been a single pitch in India that would test the batsmen to the fullest, and that is a variety the game needs just as much as it does the green and overcast Headingley or Kingsmead's Green Mamba or WACA's trampoline bounce.
Dhoni and his spinners' main grouse with pitches in India has for long been the lack of bounce more than the turn, but all India has seen over the last four years is low and slow pitches. Contrary to the belief that Dhoni is asking for the easy way out, pitches with turn and bounce will only even the playing field. If it will make life a little easier for the Indian bowlers, England's fast bowlers will also prefer the bounce, Graeme Swann will become more effective, and also England's batsmen will find value for their shots.
To blame the groundsmen alone can't be the solution, though. The ICC doesn't like the ball turning from day one. It wants to standardise all pitches. In Galle last year, Michael Hussey and Mahela Jayawardene played two of their most-cherished innings, and Australia posted one of their most-cherished wins, only because the conditions were so difficult. The ICC, though, put the groundsman on notice. It is perfectly understandable for the Indian groundsmen to not risk the Jayananda Warnaweera fate.
