Aus v Eng ODI series

[rich1uk]

angus fraser seemed to hint during his commentary yesterday that taylor will be batting at #3 in this series

[alfie]

angus fraser seemed to hint during his commentary yesterday that taylor will be batting at #3 in this series

Makes sense. With Hales and Ali at the top , and Morgan etc to come , he can play the Trott role . (Trott used to get a bit of flak for being one paced ; but England were actually a much better one day team with him in it)

[backfootpunch]

angus fraser seemed to hint during his commentary yesterday that taylor will be batting at #3 in this series

Makes sense. With Hales and Ali at the top , and Morgan etc to come , he can play the Trott role . (Trott used to get a bit of flak for being one paced ; but England were actually a much better one day team with him in it)

We had a bowling attack that could defend 275 regularly when trott was in the team

Our current bowling attack struggles to defend 325

We can't afford someone to score 80 off 100 like trott used to as that means buttler and stokes have too much to do to get us to the 350 we need to win

[alfie]

angus fraser seemed to hint during his commentary yesterday that taylor will be batting at #3 in this series

Makes sense. With Hales and Ali at the top , and Morgan etc to come , he can play the Trott role . (Trott used to get a bit of flak for being one paced ; but England were actually a much better one day team with him in it)

We had a bowling attack that could defend 275 regularly when trott was in the team

Our current bowling attack struggles to defend 325

We can't afford someone to score 80 off 100 like trott used to as that means buttler and stokes have too much to do to get us to the 350 we need to win

You misunderstand me , backfoot. I wasn't advocating a return to those scoring rates . Just pointing out that having someone who can play an anchor role is still desirable , even in New Age Cricket....Sometimes you are 30/3 and a bit of solidity is required.

I think Taylor has the potential to accelerate better than Trott used to. Also note that Trott didn't have the same support ing cast of heavy hitters as are now available.

I think you'd agree three is the best place to put Taylor , if he is going to play ?

[Making_Splinters]

Taylor has to bat three. He's done a decent job there in the past. It will be interesting how they try and fit everyone in, will Roy play having just hit a ton?

[rich1uk]

Taylor has to bat three. He's done a decent job there in the past. It will be interesting how they try and fit everyone in, will Roy play having just hit a ton?

having ali and stokes in the team as main parts of the bowling attack does make things tricky to fit all the batters in as we will end up with the situation that 2 or 3 guys are going to be batting below their ideal position in the order

players just have to accept it and get on with it rather than feel aggrieved they end up batting at #7 or #8

[ianp1970]

Taylor has to bat three. He's done a decent job there in the past. It will be interesting how they try and fit everyone in, will Roy play having just hit a ton?

having ali and stokes in the team as main parts of the bowling attack does make things tricky to fit all the batters in as we will end up with the situation that 2 or 3 guys are going to be batting below their ideal position in the order

players just have to accept it and get on with it rather than feel aggrieved they end up batting at #7 or #8

The more batting the better for me, and if we can have more bowling at the same time then it's a win/win

[m@tt]

angus fraser seemed to hint during his commentary yesterday that taylor will be batting at #3 in this series

Good. Unlucky to have been dropped in the first place. At the start of the summer I would have kept him ahead of Morgan. But Morgan seemed a new man under Farbrace compared to under Moores.

Roy will be a bit hard done by, his form for Surrey remains very good, but didn't quite do enough against New Zealand to overtake Ali in the pecking order.

I'd expect them to start with:
01 Hales // 02 Ali // 03 Taylor // 04 Morgan // 05 Stokes // 06 Buttler // 07 Billings // 08 Rashid // 09 Willey // 10 Plunkett // 11 Finn

Wood is probably first choice, but maybe best to let him rest for a couple of games then bring him back in. Not sure Roy or Woakes will get a game if everyone stays fit.

[backfootpunch]

angus fraser seemed to hint during his commentary yesterday that taylor will be batting at #3 in this series

Makes sense. With Hales and Ali at the top , and Morgan etc to come , he can play the Trott role . (Trott used to get a bit of flak for being one paced ; but England were actually a much better one day team with him in it)

We had a bowling attack that could defend 275 regularly when trott was in the team

Our current bowling attack struggles to defend 325

We can't afford someone to score 80 off 100 like trott used to as that means buttler and stokes have too much to do to get us to the 350 we need to win

You misunderstand me , backfoot. I wasn't advocating a return to those scoring rates . Just pointing out that having someone who can play an anchor role is still desirable , even in New Age Cricket....Sometimes you are 30/3 and a bit of solidity is required.

I think Taylor has the potential to accelerate better than Trott used to. Also note that Trott didn't have the same support ing cast of heavy hitters as are now available.

I think you'd agree three is the best place to put Taylor , if he is going to play ?

yes 3 is the only position he can play

but that is where root should bat so unless taylor plays out of his skin he is going to struggle to keep his place

that is unless they would consider opening with root and hales/roy

[Making_Splinters]

angus fraser seemed to hint during his commentary yesterday that taylor will be batting at #3 in this series

Makes sense. With Hales and Ali at the top , and Morgan etc to come , he can play the Trott role . (Trott used to get a bit of flak for being one paced ; but England were actually a much better one day team with him in it)

We had a bowling attack that could defend 275 regularly when trott was in the team

Our current bowling attack struggles to defend 325

We can't afford someone to score 80 off 100 like trott used to as that means buttler and stokes have too much to do to get us to the 350 we need to win

You misunderstand me , backfoot. I wasn't advocating a return to those scoring rates . Just pointing out that having someone who can play an anchor role is still desirable , even in New Age Cricket....Sometimes you are 30/3 and a bit of solidity is required.

I think Taylor has the potential to accelerate better than Trott used to. Also note that Trott didn't have the same support ing cast of heavy hitters as are now available.

I think you'd agree three is the best place to put Taylor , if he is going to play ?

yes 3 is the only position he can play

but that is where root should bat so unless taylor plays out of his skin he is going to struggle to keep his place

that is unless they would consider opening with root and hales/roy

There is a chance we could have Taylor at three and Root at four moving forwards, if he plays well enough to demand selection of course. That does push the likes of Morgan, Stokes etc a little too low in my opinion. Having two batsmen with international experiance and performance for the same slot never did anyone any harm.

[ianp1970]

A top 7 of Hales, Ali, Taylor, Root, Morgan, Stokes, Buttler does push 4-7 a place lower than they prefer, but is that a bad thing?

[Making_Splinters]

A top 7 of Hales, Ali, Taylor, Root, Morgan, Stokes, Buttler does push 4-7 a place lower than they prefer, but is that a bad thing?

Ultimately it shouldn't matter. If you lose your second wicket in the first 30 then Root is perfect, but after that pushing up Morgan or Buttler sorts that out. Sadly England have never seem to understood that.

[ianp1970]

Add in Willey, Rashid, Woakes and Finn, play them consistently for 18 months and we might even have a decent chance of competing at CT2017

[backfootpunch]

A top 7 of Hales, Ali, Taylor, Root, Morgan, Stokes, Buttler does push 4-7 a place lower than they prefer, but is that a bad thing?

i think it is yeah, buttler and root are our trump cards and should bat in the positions that allow them to have the most effect on the game which for their specific skills are 3 and 6

[backfootpunch]

though interestingly buttler has a considerably better record as a number 7 than a number 6

1 hundred and 1 fifty in 18 innings at 6 compared to 1 hundred and 6 fifties in 29 innings at 7

i would rather root opened than batted four tbh and think moeen would be good at 5

so one option if taylor plays so well he has to be in the team is

hales
root
taylor
morgan
moeen
stokes
buttler

the stats suggest that buttler is better going in at 7 and just smashing it for 30 balls, when he has to build an innings he gets out