Second Test: West Indies v England, April 21-25

[rich1uk]

They should drop Jordon, Stokes and pick up Rashid and Tredwell. I would drop Broad, but he is undroppable I guess.
Stop thinking of picking bowlers who can bat. Pick bowlers who can pick wickets.

why would you pick tredwell if you want a wicket taking threat ?

the first innings of the first test was the exception rather than the norm , he cant even get a game for his county in FC cricket and averages 36 with the ball in FC cricket

He is the best of what is available. Don't think he is worse than Jordon or Stokes, and if paired with Rashid/Ali he can be a threat, or even hold one end up for Rashid to attack.

he shouldn't even be in the squad tho and yes he is a worse option than Jordan or stokes , I would rather have joe root used as a spin option than tredwell

Jordon and Stokes are not getting you wickets. The wickets are not conducive to their type of bowling. Tredwell did ok in the 1st test, has better numbers to show than those 2. Paired with Rashid and Ali there is a chance he can do better. We know stokes/Jordon aren't doing anything so why not give it a go? These are spinning tracks anyway and Andersen and Broad should be enough.

you are going to base his selection on his numbers when he has played 2 tests ?

as I said above his performance in the first innings was an exception , in the second innings when you expect a spinner to be more of a threat on a 5th day pitch, he looked innocuous , joe root looked more dangerous

[sussexpob]

Angnew calls for Jordan to be dropped in his write up on the BBC. He also decides to join in the Cook love in that's currently going on yet again lauding the imaginative field placings, these must be like the Emperor's new clothes because I've not seen a drop of imagination from England. Guess I'm just not knowledgable enough about the game to see it.

We looking at the data, it might be another test that he hasnt won.... must be one unlucky bugger making all these excellent and creative decisions, but none ever pay off

[sussexpob]

As for Tredwell, he defied his own numbers in OD cricket to become a pretty decent ODI player for England, and so far he contributed one innings that could have potentially won the first test, even if he wasnt the best in the 2nd.

I would give him a little run in the team

[rich1uk]

As for Tredwell, he defied his own numbers in OD cricket to become a pretty decent ODI player for England, and so far he contributed one innings that could have potentially won the first test, even if he wasnt the best in the 2nd.

I would give him a little run in the team

based on what ?

40 overs on a 4th/5th day pitch against a poor west indies batting lineup, he takes one wicket and gets outbowled by joe root

[Dilbert]

Well, my only point is that Jordon and Stokes aren't doing anything either rich, so why not try out Rashid + Tredwell + Ali for the next test.
I am not saying he is great, but there is simply no evidence the 2 faster boys are going to get you any wickets.

Well they have today to prove me wrong (and i guess they will do it now)

[Making_Splinters]

Well, my only point is that Jordon and Stokes aren't doing anything either rich, so why not try out Rashid + Tredwell + Ali for the next test.
I am not saying he is great, but there is simply no evidence the 2 faster boys are going to get you any wickets.

Well they have today to prove me wrong (and i guess they will do it now)

Don't need to play three spinners. There was an interesting discussion between Knight and Willis after the close as to whether this was a more realistic performance from Ali and the series against India was a blip.

[rich1uk]

Well, my only point is that Jordon and Stokes aren't doing anything either rich, so why not try out Rashid + Tredwell + Ali for the next test.
I am not saying he is great, but there is simply no evidence the 2 faster boys are going to get you any wickets.

Well they have today to prove me wrong (and i guess they will do it now)

because it would still be a bad decision , we have a leg-spinner and 2 other fast bowlers in the squad

plunkett before his injury last year was looking the fastest of all the England bowlers and wood is meant to have a bit of extra pace about him

I would much rather see us play them and see what they can offer than play someone who we already know isn't good enough just because he might arguably be a slightly better option than chris Jordan

[Dilbert]

As for Tredwell, he defied his own numbers in OD cricket to become a pretty decent ODI player for England, and so far he contributed one innings that could have potentially won the first test, even if he wasnt the best in the 2nd.

I would give him a little run in the team

based on what ?

40 overs on a 4th/5th day pitch against a poor west indies batting lineup, he takes one wicket and gets outbowled by joe root

Stokes and Jordon gave you returns of 208/2 in the first test and 206/3 in the second. Why do you still want them to continue?

[budgetmeansbudget]

I wouldn't pick Tredwell purely cos he bowls like a girl.

A similar action to John Emburey, mind you he was pretty decent for England I suppose. Minced around the pitch a bit though, very much in touch with his feminine side I guess.

[rich1uk]

Well, my only point is that Jordon and Stokes aren't doing anything either rich, so why not try out Rashid + Tredwell + Ali for the next test.
I am not saying he is great, but there is simply no evidence the 2 faster boys are going to get you any wickets.

Well they have today to prove me wrong (and i guess they will do it now)

Don't need to play three spinners. There was an interesting discussion between Knight and Willis after the close as to whether this was a more realistic performance from Ali and the series against India was a blip.

I said the same above, can give him some benefit of the doubt after the way he was rushed back after injury tho

[rich1uk]

As for Tredwell, he defied his own numbers in OD cricket to become a pretty decent ODI player for England, and so far he contributed one innings that could have potentially won the first test, even if he wasnt the best in the 2nd.

I would give him a little run in the team

based on what ?

40 overs on a 4th/5th day pitch against a poor west indies batting lineup, he takes one wicket and gets outbowled by joe root

Stokes and Jordon gave you returns of 208/2 in the first test and 206/3 in the second. Why do you still want them to continue?

where did I say I wanted them to continue

and stokes is in the team as a #6 batsman and 5th bowler , not a frontline bowler

[Dilbert]

Well, ok, but you still need to drop both Stokes and Jordon. Select Rashid and one other. Or maybe Tredwell in Ali's place, and Wood/Plunkett + Rashid for Stokes and Jordon

Don't think Moores will make these many changes.

[Making_Splinters]

England need a bit of pace in their attack, it's laughable that even Bangladesh had quicker pace bowlers than us at the World Cup. I have no problem with Anderson, Jordan or Broad as individual bowlers, but if you're going to bowl in the mid 80s then you have to be doing something with the ball and only Anderson does that.

We don't need bowlers who can bat coming in at 9, we need bowlers who can take wickets. Supposedly Rashid was overlooked for bowling dross in the nets.

[rich1uk]

Well, ok, but you still need to drop both Stokes and Jordon. Select Rashid and one other. Or maybe Tredwell in Ali's place, and Wood/Plunkett + Rashid for Stokes and Jordon

Don't think Moores will make these many changes.

why do you need to drop stokes ?

he is not in the team as a frontline bowler , if the 4 specialist bowlers being picked are doing their jobs he should only be bowling 10 overs a day and getting you the odd wicket

only change I would make for the next game would be to replace Jordan , if moeen hadn't been rushed back after injury then I would be dropping him but he gets the benefit of the doubt based on that for me

[sussexpob]

As for Tredwell, he defied his own numbers in OD cricket to become a pretty decent ODI player for England, and so far he contributed one innings that could have potentially won the first test, even if he wasnt the best in the 2nd.

I would give him a little run in the team

based on what ?

40 overs on a 4th/5th day pitch against a poor west indies batting lineup, he takes one wicket and gets outbowled by joe root

Based on the fact that the pitches are more conductive to spin, and I would play Tredwell/Rashid and Ali