2nd Test: India v England at Visakhapatnam on Nov 17-21,

[rich1uk]

Decent partnership from Stokes and bairstow both looking quite solid so far.

they are but usually you would see a partnership dig in like this and once the ball started to get older or the bowlers started to get a bit tired it will get easier to bat

here its only going to get harder as the pitch continues to deteriorate

nice to see them at least make india work for it tho

[Dr Cricket]

TBH looking at the pitch so far think batting will only get impossible on day 4 or 5, right now if you got a good technique or will to survive and see it off you can easily get a score of around 250, so far england made it so easy to take wicket with 2 being gifts.
nice to see this partnership make india work for the wicket and the spinner did start bowling more bad balls that could be scored runs off.

[Arthur Crabtree]

I reckoned England won four of the five days in the first game, and didn't come very close to winning. India have taken both days here so far. England's day tomorrow, and they could be back in the game, last chance really. India dominate tomorrow and it's 1-0.

[Dr Cricket]

Think the scary part is that the pitch isn't really spinning much yet either.

[Dr Cricket]

boycott being brutal saying england batted like idiots.
It's not a raging turner, let's be honest. There's been some shocking, poor batting.

[Arthur Crabtree]

England's tail doesn't look all that without Woakes in it. Two proper batters in the shed though.

[rich1uk]

boycott being brutal saying england batted like idiots.
It's not a raging turner, let's be honest. There's been some shocking, poor batting.

haven't you spent most of the morning going on about how badly england bowled and there was no way that this was a 320-4 pitch yesterday but now its a pitch that isn't really turning yet and england have just batted poorly ?

[Dr Cricket]

boycott being brutal saying england batted like idiots.
It's not a raging turner, let's be honest. There's been some shocking, poor batting.

haven't you spent most of the morning going on about how badly england bowled and there was no way that this was a 320-4 pitch yesterday but now its a pitch that isn't really turning yet and england have just batted poorly ?

you know bowlers can get wickets without the ball turning right rich.
don't think the pitch turning much yet and not really spinning consistently either but at the same time every ball doing something either one spins, one keep low and hint of reverse swing as well.
not a 320/4 pitch or 105/5 deck.

England have batted poorly on here at the moment they struggling to reach 200.

[Dr Cricket]

Also think with the indian spinners getting drift makes them more dangerous as well with the ball moving off the air and sometimes spinning or not.
"None of England's spinners recorded more than 2.2° average drift; none of India's spinners have found less than 2.2°"

Anyway can't be totally harsh since most batting lineups in the world would struggle in these conditions with the bowling they faced pretty similar to facing Anderson or Broad in england on a cloudy day.

[rich1uk]

boycott being brutal saying england batted like idiots.
It's not a raging turner, let's be honest. There's been some shocking, poor batting.

haven't you spent most of the morning going on about how badly england bowled and there was no way that this was a 320-4 pitch yesterday but now its a pitch that isn't really turning yet and england have just batted poorly ?

you know bowlers can get wickets without the ball turning right rich.
don't think the pitch turning much yet and not really spinning consistently either but at the same time every ball doing something either one spins, one keep low and hint of reverse swing as well.
not a 320/4 pitch or 105/5 deck.

England have batted poorly on here at the moment they struggling to reach 200.

of course bowlers can get wickets without the ball turning, but that wasn't what you have been saying, you were saying the pitch wasn't flat, that is wasn't a good pitch to bat on and that india shouldn't have scored 320 runs on day one

scoring 320 runs in a day isn't that rare, especially when you have two high class batsmen making a big partnership, scoring rates will almost certainly increase when 2 guys make centuries and a run rate of 3.5 per over isn't anything remarkable, and it was just poor bowling from england that allowed them to do it

now you are saying that the pitch isn't turning, thats its not that bad to bat on and its just down to england batting poorly that we lost 5 wickets

india are a better team than us in these conditions but you are being a bit inconsistent in criticising england for bowling poorly in what you suggest was poor batting conditions yesterday and now criticising england for batting badly in what is apparently now a pitch with no turn

[Dr Cricket]

The pitch isn't flat either though if england bowled better and bowled in the right areas india wouldn't even get 320 or score around 455.
the fact india had to fight to get 450 and was a genuine chance of getting all out for 400 when 2 batsman got hundred says everything about the pitch.

[sussexpob]

England finding out just how badly they bowled yesterday

[Dr Cricket]

boycott being brutal saying england batted like idiots.
It's not a raging turner, let's be honest. There's been some shocking, poor batting.

haven't you spent most of the morning going on about how badly england bowled and there was no way that this was a 320-4 pitch yesterday but now its a pitch that isn't really turning yet and england have just batted poorly ?

you know bowlers can get wickets without the ball turning right rich.
don't think the pitch turning much yet and not really spinning consistently either but at the same time every ball doing something either one spins, one keep low and hint of reverse swing as well.
not a 320/4 pitch or 105/5 deck.

England have batted poorly on here at the moment they struggling to reach 200.

of course bowlers can get wickets without the ball turning, but that wasn't what you have been saying, you were saying the pitch wasn't flat, that is wasn't a good pitch to bat on and that india shouldn't have scored 320 runs on day one

scoring 320 runs in a day isn't that rare, especially when you have two high class batsmen making a big partnership, scoring rates will almost certainly increase when 2 guys make centuries and a run rate of 3.5 per over isn't anything remarkable, and it was just poor bowling from england that allowed them to do it

now you are saying that the pitch isn't turning, thats its not that bad to bat on and its just down to england batting poorly that we lost 5 wickets

india are a better team than us in these conditions but you are being a bit inconsistent in criticising england for bowling poorly in what you suggest was poor batting conditions yesterday and now criticising england for batting badly in what is apparently now a pitch with no turn

Think their a big difference in losing 5 wicket for 100 runs rich.
Not expecting england to score 400.
if anything still think 300 is a par total.
Batting isn't hard to score here but they still got challenges that can mean in a dismissal for the batsman especially if the bowlers are bowling well in the right areas.

Lets bring this to england home test did you think Australia batted well in Trent bridge and edgebaston or any instances of when teams collapse in a heap when the ball swinging or seaming a bit.
not sure losing 5 wicket is that great with some turn on offer for the bowler.

Fact is england bowled and batted poor so far.
Yesterday wasn't 320/4 pitch or a 455 first inning pitch.
350 looks like a good total with 400 a match winning total.
England are not even close to 200 yet when the ball not even turning much.

[Dr Cricket]

Just look at india first innings india were 363/7 which is about right for this deck england haven't bowled or batted well in this game so far.
Allowed india too many runs and then gifting some wickets and getting stuck with the spin.
if they struggling on this deck right now things will just get more difficult when the ball actually turns more.

[Dr Cricket]

Never ever said this was a pitch with no turn.
they been turn from day 1 really, but not been consistent turn yet and batsman can score runs still but not sure it is a pitch where teams are expecting to score 400 or 500 on though.
Scoring 3.5 is pretty fast on a slow deck.
England are long way away from 200 runs so of course I would say they been batting terribly so far.

Also just watching the highlights, see Nasser been using my phrase of battle of the all rounders. suspect he been doing some reading lol.