England Versus India - 1st Test (9 Nov - 13 Nov)

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Re: England Versus India - 1st Test (9 Nov - 13 Nov)

Postby Dr Cricket » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:27 pm

Anyway good day for England, might actually make this series competitive, still long way to go in this game considering England still need to bat another day and get around 600.
Be interesting if they go for the win or the draw.
If they go for a win they would have to score quickly tomorrow and aim for 500-550, but will they risk 450-480 score that gives India a chance for a win or do they get 650 plus and then hope the spinners get 20 wickets in 3 days.

If root was batting would say England are likely to win but with root gone they can still comeback to the game if England don't get a big score or if they do get a big score they might have batted too long.

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Re: England Versus India - 1st Test (9 Nov - 13 Nov)

Postby Dr Cricket » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:31 pm

Tough choice but if I was Cook, would only declare at around 650, so that still another day play for them.
Think setting 450 to avoid follow on is a good advantage.
Getting around 550 makes the follow target look easier to achieve.
Should be interesting to see how England batsman play it tomorrow, worst case would be 400-450 all out looking for quick runs.

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Re: England Versus India - 1st Test (9 Nov - 13 Nov)

Postby andy » Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:04 pm

lol getting ahead of yourself with 650...would suprise me if we collapsed to around 420!
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Re: England Versus India - 1st Test (9 Nov - 13 Nov)

Postby Red Devil » Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:30 pm

you would have thought that the groundsman would have paid attention to the tests in bangladesh. Ind should be furious to have a pitch that had so little in it for spinners on teh first day - the way to take the toss out of the equation was to make sure it turned from the start.

Terrific day for Eng that will be a huge boost to their confidence - could make the series very interesting.

Ind have really shot themselves in the foot - momentum with england - the injuries to the indian batsmen before the test, the pitch, the toss, the dropped catches, the Shami injury on day 1 ... at least you would hope that it can only improve from here for Ind.
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Re: England Versus India - 1st Test (9 Nov - 13 Nov)

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:28 pm

budgetmeansbudget wrote:Just seen the Root dismissal.

Poor old Rod Tucker, the third umpire, hadn't got a clue whether it was out or not out so bottled it and stayed with the on field soft signal, which always seems to be out.

I'm still undecided, so is it bowler's benefit or is there no such thing?

Actually having now watched it properly on a large screen, he didn't have complete control.

He took the ball in the heels of his hands, realised he hadn't got it cleanly, tried to flip it up but then knocked it over his head and dropped it.

Still as Root said, he was lucky to avoid an lbw decision earlier in his innings, so fair dos in the end.
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Re: England Versus India - 1st Test (9 Nov - 13 Nov)

Postby hopeforthebest » Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:38 pm

The spin of Ashwin and Jadeja was more dangerous with the harder ball so tomorrow the day might start with things in the bowlers favour. England need Ali and Stokes to be able to start again which often proves difficult the next day. I'm looking forward to see how our pace attack perform on this pitch as the India pair bowled well early on and were beset by poor slip fielding.

Excellent start for England which will buoy them up no end.
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Re: England Versus India - 1st Test (9 Nov - 13 Nov)

Postby Making_Splinters » Wed Nov 09, 2016 8:41 pm

Well, that was probably as good of a day as England could have hoped for before the start of the series. I thought Hameed looked very composed, but god knows why Duckett has plummeted backwards since his introduction into the ODI side.
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Re: England Versus India - 1st Test (9 Nov - 13 Nov)

Postby Gingerfinch » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:21 pm

Just seen the Root dismissal. India definitely got lucky there.
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Re: England Versus India - 1st Test (9 Nov - 13 Nov)

Postby Dr Cricket » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:35 pm

Red Devil wrote:you would have thought that the groundsman would have paid attention to the tests in bangladesh. Ind should be furious to have a pitch that had so little in it for spinners on teh first day - the way to take the toss out of the equation was to make sure it turned from the start.

Terrific day for Eng that will be a huge boost to their confidence - could make the series very interesting.

Ind have really shot themselves in the foot - momentum with england - the injuries to the indian batsmen before the test, the pitch, the toss, the dropped catches, the Shami injury on day 1 ... at least you would hope that it can only improve from here for Ind.

True probably depends on the results.
If India lose or draw suspect all the other pitches will spin a lot.
Doesn't bother too much considering in a 5 match series you expect the better team to win and India got a better bowling attack and batting line up so they should win the series.
Wouldn't surprise me if the pitch was dead because people had money on the series not winning 5-0, the bookies will be making the money if England win or draw this test.
Loads of money on India winning 5-0, not got historical data but suspect 5-0 was the most backed results and as a result the lowest price for a whitewash, remember when England were losing in ban the result was a favourite as well in most sites

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Re: England Versus India - 1st Test (9 Nov - 13 Nov)

Postby yuppie » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:38 pm

Gingerfinch wrote:Just seen the Root dismissal. India definitely got lucky there.



Yeah i thought that as well.

He got lucky earlier so it evens out.

But previous decisions should not dictate later decisions. Would like to hear why the 3rd umpire thought it was out.
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Re: England Versus India - 1st Test (9 Nov - 13 Nov)

Postby Dr Cricket » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:40 pm

The 2 umpires gave it out and he had no choice but to go with it, since they no clear rule on it.

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Re: England Versus India - 1st Test (9 Nov - 13 Nov)

Postby Gingerfinch » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:43 pm

The fact he was desperately trying to re-catch the ball says it all. Anyway, these things happen.
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Re: England Versus India - 1st Test (9 Nov - 13 Nov)

Postby Dr Cricket » Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:01 pm

Gingerfinch wrote:The fact he was desperately trying to re-catch the ball says it all. Anyway, these things happen.

Yeah he got lucky

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Re: England Versus India - 1st Test (9 Nov - 13 Nov)

Postby Making_Splinters » Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:12 pm

At the end of the day, England need to put on another 150 to 200 runs to make this an important innings, on a relatively flat pitch that will deteriorate, we can expect the Indian batting line up to make hay against England's spin attack unless the pacers take early wickets.

Tbe most important thing is that Root got in to some form, we just need Cook to follow suit and we might have a chance of not being embarrassed on this tour.
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Re: England Versus India - 1st Test (9 Nov - 13 Nov)

Postby backfootpunch » Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:20 pm

Red Devil wrote:you would have thought that the groundsman would have paid attention to the tests in bangladesh. Ind should be furious to have a pitch that had so little in it for spinners on teh first day - the way to take the toss out of the equation was to make sure it turned from the start.

Terrific day for Eng that will be a huge boost to their confidence - could make the series very interesting.

Ind have really shot themselves in the foot - momentum with england - the injuries to the indian batsmen before the test, the pitch, the toss, the dropped catches, the Shami injury on day 1 ... at least you would hope that it can only improve from here for Ind.

Matches are better in the sub continent when the ball turns from ball one

Otherwise the toss is way too important

India didn't help themselves as you say, the early dropped catches set the tone for the day
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