2nd Test England v Pakistan, Old Trafford, 22-26 July

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Re: 2nd Test England v Pakistan, Old Trafford, 22-26 July

Postby hopeforthebest » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:45 pm

Another exceptional delivery fro Amir gets Cook After a true captains innings. Cook played the ball in rather a careless or weary manner.
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Re: 2nd Test England v Pakistan, Old Trafford, 22-26 July

Postby DiligentDefence » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:46 pm

hopeforthebest wrote:Another exceptional delivery fro Amir gets Cook After a true captains innings. Cook played the ball in rather a careless or weary manner.

Seemed to keep a little low.
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Re: 2nd Test England v Pakistan, Old Trafford, 22-26 July

Postby Dr Cricket » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:46 pm

how many runs do you think england need here to be comfortable in the 3rd innings against Yasir Shah.

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Re: 2nd Test England v Pakistan, Old Trafford, 22-26 July

Postby sussexpob » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:46 pm

Amir looking the only threat...

In come the tail now.... 300 all out?
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Re: 2nd Test England v Pakistan, Old Trafford, 22-26 July

Postby DiligentDefence » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:47 pm

bhaveshgor wrote:how many runs do you think england need here to be comfortable in the 3rd innings against Yasir Shah.

At least 450.
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Re: 2nd Test England v Pakistan, Old Trafford, 22-26 July

Postby alfie » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:51 pm

DiligentDefence wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:Another exceptional delivery fro Amir gets Cook After a true captains innings. Cook played the ball in rather a careless or weary manner.

Seemed to keep a little low.



That's what I thought. Certainly surprised Cook - and rather surprising on day one. Pitch has been just about perfect ; but if that is a sign of the future England will be happy to be batting first...
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Re: 2nd Test England v Pakistan, Old Trafford, 22-26 July

Postby hopeforthebest » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:53 pm

bhaveshgor wrote:how many runs do you think england need here to be comfortable in the 3rd innings against Yasir Shah.


If England batsmen had applied themselves in the manner Cook and Root have displayed today he would not have looked so good at Lords and certainly not taken 10 wickets.The question is, have Vince, Balance and Stokes got the patience to play him this way.
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Re: 2nd Test England v Pakistan, Old Trafford, 22-26 July

Postby hopeforthebest » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:55 pm

alfie wrote:
DiligentDefence wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:Another exceptional delivery fro Amir gets Cook After a true captains innings. Cook played the ball in rather a careless or weary manner.

Seemed to keep a little low.



That's what I thought. Certainly surprised Cook - and rather surprising on day one. Pitch has been just about perfect ; but if that is a sign of the future England will be happy to be batting first...


I don't think it kept low just pitched right up to Cook who was back in his crease.
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Re: 2nd Test England v Pakistan, Old Trafford, 22-26 July

Postby backfootpunch » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:02 pm

hopeforthebest wrote:
alfie wrote:
DiligentDefence wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:Another exceptional delivery fro Amir gets Cook After a true captains innings. Cook played the ball in rather a careless or weary manner.

Seemed to keep a little low.



That's what I thought. Certainly surprised Cook - and rather surprising on day one. Pitch has been just about perfect ; but if that is a sign of the future England will be happy to be batting first...


I don't think it kept low just pitched right up to Cook who was back in his crease.


The replay they just showed suggests it kept very low

It was the perfect angle to show it

Hit right on the toe of his bat
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Re: 2nd Test England v Pakistan, Old Trafford, 22-26 July

Postby Dr Cricket » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:02 pm

hopeforthebest wrote:
bhaveshgor wrote:how many runs do you think england need here to be comfortable in the 3rd innings against Yasir Shah.


If England batsmen had applied themselves in the manner Cook and Root have displayed today he would not have looked so good at Lords and certainly not taken 10 wickets.The question is, have Vince, Balance and Stokes got the patience to play him this way.

yeah England lost at the ground which suited the pakistan team the least amount and loss to pakistan in the game where in general the pace men were not at their best.
now they have to play pakistan in 3 grounds which would help them more.

Although do think Yasir more of a dangerous spinner than Warne because of DRS, Imho Yasir essentially Kumble but with DRS would be harder to play him now if the ball does actually turn since he then spins it 3 ways with his leg break, more turn, less turn and no turn, doesn't even have to bowl any googlies or variations to trouble batsman.

england got to a mess in lords because they played for the turn when he didn't turn it in the first innings.

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Re: 2nd Test England v Pakistan, Old Trafford, 22-26 July

Postby Aidan11 » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:03 pm

Pakistan might sense an opening now.
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Re: 2nd Test England v Pakistan, Old Trafford, 22-26 July

Postby hopeforthebest » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:04 pm

The side on shot indicates it keep low which is not a good sign so early in the game, the ball will be a bit softer at 56 overs though.
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Re: 2nd Test England v Pakistan, Old Trafford, 22-26 July

Postby backfootpunch » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:05 pm

bhaveshgor wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:
bhaveshgor wrote:how many runs do you think england need here to be comfortable in the 3rd innings against Yasir Shah.


If England batsmen had applied themselves in the manner Cook and Root have displayed today he would not have looked so good at Lords and certainly not taken 10 wickets.The question is, have Vince, Balance and Stokes got the patience to play him this way.

yeah England lost at the ground which suited the pakistan team the least amount and loss to pakistan in the game where in general the pace men were not at their best.
now they have to play pakistan in 3 grounds which would help them more.

Although do think Yasir more of a dangerous spinner than Warne because of DRS, Imho Yasir essentially Kumble but with DRS would be harder to play him now if the ball does actually turn since he then spins it 3 ways with his leg break, more turn, less turn and no turn, doesn't even have to bowl any googlies or variations to trouble batsman.

england got to a mess in lords because they played for the turn when he didn't turn it in the first innings.


A bit early to be saying he is more dangerous than Warne lol

This is only his second test outside of Asia

He is very similar to kumble though from what I'v seen
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Re: 2nd Test England v Pakistan, Old Trafford, 22-26 July

Postby Dr Cricket » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:05 pm

Amir getting a tough crowd today, should be a good atmosphere on Saturday and sunday especially with them expecting more pakistani fans should be a good atmosphere.

crowd repeatedly shouting no ball when amir balls.

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Re: 2nd Test England v Pakistan, Old Trafford, 22-26 July

Postby sussexpob » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:07 pm

bhaveshgor wrote:Amir getting a tough crowd today, should be a good atmosphere on Saturday and sunday especially with them expecting more pakistani fans should be a good atmosphere.

crowd repeatedly shouting no ball when amir balls.


How clever and rib bustingly funny they must be....

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