England Versus India - 1st Test (9 Nov - 13 Nov)

[Making_Splinters]

Interesting match, England arguably outplayed India in India. Just goes to show how vital the toss is in India.

[Dr Cricket]

Interesting match, England arguably outplayed India in India. Just goes to show how vital the toss is in India.

only if you get a crap awful pitch like this.

[meninblue]

I hope we win next toss. Winning toss here is like playing with White in Chess. Advantage before match begins.

the toss might not be too important if the ball turning from day 1.
the toss only really matters on pitches like these.

Imo it matters on any Indian wicket.

England have squandered that advantage. Yes they will say this was nice psychological advantage after what happened in Bangladesh, but they could not exploit the toss win. I would be hugely disappointed if we draw after winning toss and batting first.

not sure it does since the whole point of the new pitches is that if india lose the toss they can still dominate the game if they lose the toss since the bowlers can take wicket on the first innings.
anyway happy to agree to disagree.

Ranji trophy and international tests results over the decades is proof. Anways we can disagree.

[Dr Cricket]

might be wrong but in 2012 season india lost majority of the toss and still won games and England lost 2 toss and won 2 games.
was actually 6 consecutive games the side losing the toss won the game.

Australia won 4 toss in india and lost all 4 games very easily and not sure the games would be any different if india batted first by winning the toss.

[meninblue]

Somebody kindly start match 2 thread. Starting soon.

[meninblue]

might be wrong but in 2012 season india lost majority of the toss and still won games and England lost 2 toss and won 2 games.
was actually 6 consecutive games the side losing the toss won the game.

Australia won 4 toss in india and lost all 4 games very easily and not sure the games would be any different if india batted first by winning the toss.

Simple

Would you opt to bat on day 5 or day 4 in India versus two spinners attack

[Dr Cricket]

I hope we win next toss. Winning toss here is like playing with White in Chess. Advantage before match begins.

if any of the pitches are like this not sure the toss would matter.
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Think the key is really if the bowlers can take wickets on day 1 or 2 and if they are in the game by looking threatening in the first 3 days.
if the ball doing things on the first day not sure toss is that vital since if the bowlers bowl well they can overcome the run advantage that batting first brings whereas on a road like this it is very hard for the side batting second to overcome the huge advantage of batting first and the challenges of batting last and batting on day 3 when trailing by a huge margin brings.

[Dr Cricket]

might be wrong but in 2012 season india lost majority of the toss and still won games and England lost 2 toss and won 2 games.
was actually 6 consecutive games the side losing the toss won the game.

Australia won 4 toss in india and lost all 4 games very easily and not sure the games would be any different if india batted first by winning the toss.

Simple

Would you opt to bat on day 5 or day 4 in India versus two spinners attack

not saying people would choose to bowl first, but the point is it isn't a lose the game if you lose the toss thing, you can still win games or dominate the game if you bowl well on day 1.
end of the day captain wouldn't be too fussed if they loss the toss if the bowlers got something in the first innings whereas india head dropped when they loss the toss at rajkot and england bowler were very happy.

Don't remember Dhoni being so unhappy at losing the toss in that series, or Cook for the matter in the england vs india series in 2012.

For me the toss is not vital if the ball turning from day 1.

[budgetmeansbudget]

Interesting match, England arguably outplayed India in India. Just goes to show how vital the toss is in India.

only if you get a crap awful pitch like this.

Was it that bad?

A test match pitch is supposed to start off true and gradually degrade as the match progresses. This one could perhaps have worsened a bit quicker than it did, but looking at the cracks in it on day one, you might have expected it to do so. Although I understand cracks on Indian pitches aren't as big a problem as in other parts of the world.

[Dr Cricket]

for me the issue was the grass, it binded the pitch better every morning making the pitch stay true for so long, it was still a good deck to bat on day 5 in the morning and probably still good for batting on every morning session after with batting the most tricky in the evening session but even then only really day 5 was tricky and that was probably down to india looking to save the game.

[sussexpob]

This wasnt a result wicket.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Ooof. Nearly.

I'd give 4/5 days to England, but not enough to win. A confidence booster for the tourists and invaluable game time.

Well played by them, with a the caveat it was probably an advantageous win at the toss. Decent Test for the England spinners, not so much for the Indian spinners.

Anderson in for Ansari? Mo'hit in for Mishra?

Nice that Pujara and Vijay got tons.I like to see them going well.

[Dr Cricket]

Interesting match, England arguably outplayed India in India. Just goes to show how vital the toss is in India.

only if you get a crap awful pitch like this.

Was it that bad?

A test match pitch is supposed to start off true and gradually degrade as the match progresses. This one could perhaps have worsened a bit quicker than it did, but looking at the cracks in it on day one, you might have expected it to do so. Although I understand cracks on Indian pitches aren't as big a problem as in other parts of the world.

not a bad pitch but the groundsman ruined a very good pitch by adding grass.

not really a major problem having a pitch like this 1 in every 4 yrs though.

Still can't get my head around with the pitch having grass when the grass grows every day.
not sure I seen a green deck ever on day 5 in NZ or England where the grass dies after day 1.
I couldn't even tell the pitch from the outfield from the middle part was so green, only really the ends were bare.

[Dr Cricket]

Ooof. Nearly.

I'd give 4/5 days to England, but not enough to win. A confidence booster for the tourists and invaluable game time.

Well played by them, with a the caveat it was probably an advantageous win at the toss. Decent Test for the England spinners, not so much for the Indian spinners.

Anderson in for Ansari? Mo'hit in for Mishra?

Nice that Pujara and Vijay got tons.I like to see them going well.

you do know that Mohit injured for 2-3 months right.

[Arthur Crabtree]

No, I didn't. Actually, I think that squad was for the first two Tests, so he clearly wasn't back.