sussexpob wrote:Take what Sam said in two different viewpoints. The video actually starts without context, but from the conversation you can glean two understandings....Firstly, Sam is talking about TPO (Third party ownership) from the position of the buyer, and secondly as the seller/agent.
In the first instance of buying a player, he says that "TPO is not a problem". He uses the example of Enner Valencia's transfer to West Ham to back that point up that "people do it all the time". There is literally nothing he has done wrong here, West Ham purchased 100% of the player as per the rules, and there is no suggestion of any "bending of rules". The rule states a UK club can buy a player if 100% ownership is made to the new club.... and that literally happens all the time. Take for instance Man City paying only 55% of Mangala's transfer to Porto, with something like 10% to his former club and 35% to a sports management company. TPO in a lot of countries is a norm, so if you assume clubs dont buy or pay agents and TPO's, then you also assume they dont sign Belgians, Brazilians and Portuguese... where its extremely common.
The second instance when talking about selling a player as a TPO, he says that TPO can contract with agents while taking a percentage cut on the agent fee, and that this means in essence you still own the player. So, for example, a player has an agent who negotiates a 10% fee on a £1 mill transfer, the agent will then subcontract 50% of that to the TPO in a seperate contract, and the TPO gets 500k as a result.
Sounds dodgy? Not really. When you think about it an agent can be employed under a sports management company he works for, and in those situations the sports management company will also have an agent to third part agreement as to the value percentage of any given deal. And once again thats common and legal.
In fact, the existance of such contracts are actually contained in the FA's rules on intermediaries. Far from bending the rules, Big Sam is actually simply clarifying what is possible as part of the rules. In fact, the FA rules actually seem to state a subcontracted Third Party can have an dual agreement that is not a conflict of interest so long as the stake does not exceed 5%...And Big Sam states in his interview that magic 5% number.....
Aidan11 wrote: The bits in bold are quite clear. The England manager is telling these guys how you can bend the rules relating to TP ownership. These are Sam's actual words. Now Sam may not have done these kind of deals himself but the fact he knows about them and is telling people about them is conduct unbecoming of any manager, let alone the England manager.
He may have just been a bloke trying to be clever shooting his mouth off after a few drinks but the damage is done and there was no way he could continue.
So, lets say if I am a Crown Prosecution lawyer and my friend walks into a pub....
"Last night I got into the car after a pint, and I was stopped and charged for drink driving without having a breath test.... anyway I can get off this one"......
"You only had one pint. Was it more than 5% in strength"....
"Yes, I had one Carlsberg, thats what, 4.4%"....
"Well the limit is 80mm of alcohol. As long as you can prove you were in the pub and only had one pint, then you should be well under that limit, by nearly half"...
"Really"
"Well yeah. And you know, the police cant actually charge you without taking a blood test back at the station.... you can get off"...
"thanks. Ill get the next one in, good advice"....
Aidan11 wrote: Then from what you are saying Allardyce has done nothing wrong and has been wrongly forced out of his job.
I guess he'll be taking the FA to court then.
D/L wrote:Words fail me for once.
Aidan11 wrote:Ralf Rangnick eh?
Might be a good appointment. Comes in with no preconceived ideas, may not be frightened to drop players and I've alwats admired German coaching methods.
Aidan11 wrote:Ralf Rangnick eh?
Might be a good appointment. Comes in with no preconceived ideas, may not be frightened to drop players and I've alwats admired German coaching methods.
D/L wrote:Words fail me for once.
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