IPL 2017

[Aidan11]

KP isn't happy...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/39037925

[rich1uk]

he's got a bit of a point

england players are not just being allowed, but actively encouraged by management to do what he got crucified for

[meninblue]

Like usual post IPL auctions they have started to calculate money players are getting per ball. As if the bowlers won't be fielding and batting.

[Dr Cricket]

he's got a bit of a point

england players are not just being allowed, but actively encouraged by management to do what he got crucified for

Seems he is disappointed about Tymal mills and not about Stokes.
He should really know that Tymal mills is only a freelance T20 player because of injuries.

[dan08]

he's got a bit of a point

england players are not just being allowed, but actively encouraged by management to do what he got crucified for

Seems he is disappointed about Tymal mills and not about Stokes.
He should really know that Tymal mills is only a freelance T20 player because of injuries.

Not really. @KP24: "I don't blame him at all! I <3 how T20 is growing the game! I'm just saying that Tests are falling way behind atm! ICC needs to act & quick! It's not crazy! Mills is a wonderful bowler in T20! He deserves it! Should have been playing for Eng 4yrs ago!"

[Dr Cricket]

he can't exactly have it both ways that T20 specialist are getting paid more and then say england don't really treat T20 well in this country or IPL in the past.
it should also be noted that if Mills does badly then he loses the big bucks in the future, unlikely to even get 2-3 crore in the future, might even have to settle for a low fiqure of 30 lakh.

Issue with Test would be how do they realistically expect to pay big buck for Test players when it hardly makes money or if they do somehow how are they going to make Sri lanka Test players millionaires to play the format, considering no Test match even makes money unless India or England tour, are they suddenly going to make India play everyone all the time just so the boards can afford to play the players wages.

Realistically Test players will never match T20 wages considering it is quite impossible for the poorer boards to even pay 20-30% of Stokes wages, suspect Sri lanka players are getting less than the smallest base price in the IPL.

To improve Test cricket they shouldn't look at the wages but look at the structure of the format and somehow make it worthwhile for players to play it for the non big 3 nations.
Really in the future T20 leagues and Test cricket can work together, the leagues play the wages and Test cricket/international format is where the international players play but it would have to be less international cricket for it to really work and it should have way more meaning than right now.

[Dr Cricket]

Stokes, buttler and Woakes can miss the ireland games but Billings, Morgan and Roy have to return back.
probably the right decision considering billings and Roy still need to confirm their spots in the team.

[rich1uk]

you really think a guy who is averaging 40+ with a s/r of better than a run a ball needs to "confirm his spot" ?

in the last 12 months across 15 ODIs he is averaging 60 at a s/r of 111 as well

i think his spot is well and truly confirmed by now

[Dr Cricket]

ok maybe he doesn't need confirming but it is quite early in his one day career that he can't exactly afford to miss the ireland games and allow someone else to open and do well in.
Ok roy done well but wouldn't say his spot his 100% secure considering if he fails in the champions trophy/english summer quite possible he will get dropped or struggle to retain his spot with the competition of places england has.
Billings done really well in his few opportunity but isn't first choice starter yet so he really needs to play considering if he doesn't play he won't be in the starting 11 for the champions trophy.

[rich1uk]

sorry bhav but thats just bollox about Roy

his performance over the last 12 months means he is probably one of the first names on the team sheet in a full strength side

[Dr Cricket]

Think Hales, Roy, Root, Morgan Stokes, Buttler, Ali, Woakes, Willey, Rashid and Jordan probably the 11 for champions trophy.

So billings obviously needs to play against ireland if he is to play in champions trophy.
Roy likewise isn't really guaranteed a spot for the world cup either, he could easily be out of the reckoning if he fails in the summers and the likes of Billings, Bairstow, Malan etc push him out of the spot, especially if they find it easier to put Ali at the top to balance the team better.
Roy should play in the Champions trophy though.
my point really was that Woakes, buttler and Stokes are pretty much guaranteed picks for the world cup and they don't really need to play against ireland considering England already know what they can do in the international game and will get better experience playing in the IPL than thrashing an awful Ireland team.

[Dr Cricket]

sorry bhav but thats just bollox about Roy

his performance over the last 12 months means he is probably one of the first names on the team sheet in a full strength side

Not sure Roy can miss the games though.
Might be a guaranteed pick for the champions trophy but he still needs to play for England and maintain his performances so he can remain in the side for the world cup.
plus they probably thought Roy could play the full ipl next year and the year after considering they play test in May and not one day international.
plus it is easier to remove Roy earlier from the IPL considering he will get more playing for England than staying longer playing IPL.

[rich1uk]

if Roy isn't guaranteed a spot for the WC in 2 years time then no-one is

you just dont know when to stop digging when you get yourself in a hole do you ?

[Dr Cricket]

Imho it is really too early in Roy career to say he is secure of his spot long term considering he only played 35 odi games, you really have to play 50+ odi games to be certain about players.
if you saw Ballance test career after 18 months you would think he would be a certain member of the test side after 18 months and now he barely in contention for the spot now.
not saying Roy not good enough to play for england but he does need to play in the game considering he still in his early stage of his career and he would obviously want to impress and push for a test spot.
ok he could miss the game and play a few weeks more in the ipl but do you honestly think he would like someone to score big runs against Ireland and then him struggling against SA and not having a great champions trophy and suddenly he out of the picture because he failed and teams have started to work him out a bit.
At the moment he not even losing anything playing for england against ireland and if anything it would cost him money to play in the IPL that could potentially lose him his spot in the odi in the long run.

Anyway happy to disagree but do think Roy and Billings getting recalled is a good decision.

[rich1uk]

i'm not happy to disagree tbh because you are just plain wrong

the only opener in world cricket to have done better in the last 12 months than Roy is Warner, Roy has had a better 12 months than de Kock

its bordering on the ridiculous to suggest that Roy's place in the team isn't secure, if not beyond the ridiculous