Durhamfootman wrote:so now that it's all over bar the shouting, what do we think?
For me (just listening to the radio and following the scorecards) it feels a bit like watching Durham. If all of your main bowlers are going at more than 10 an over all of the time (which Durham bowlers do a lot in T20) then your batsmen are always going to have to score close to 200 every time just to avoid losing, which doesn't seem like a winning formula to me.
Then again..... maybe that's exactly what T20 should be like. perhaps we, as fans, just have to accept that that is the way the game is moving. setting 200 every time and hoping that that's enough, or being comfortable with a 200 chase.
Shoddy fielding, though, is unforgivable in limited overs matches, and particularly in T20 ( a bit more leeway in tests perhaps), and from what I've heard It's been a little like watching the Keystone Kops when England have been in the field. Of course the game has moved on since 2010, but we were consistently terrific in the field back then, and we aren't now. Perhaps it's a confidence thing, and this tournament came at exactly the wrong time after repeated maulings at the hands of pretty much everyone we played over the winter, and the inevitable black hole that the whole organisation was sucked into.
But, perhaps, moving forward, the fielding is the starting point for any rebuilding that is required
SaintPowelly wrote:England have been getting T20 ( and ODI ) formulas wrong for years ( barring 2010 ), I'll speak on the case that annoys me the most :
Dimi Mascarenhas : One of the finest new ball bowlers in limited overs cricket I have ever seen, played 14 T20is for England and got the new ball TWICE, and in those games, he had figures of 2-0-14-1 against Pakistan on a pitch that England managed to score 185 on, and 4-0-22-0 ( 5.5 per over ) against South Africa. I genuinely don't think England have ever mis-used a player more than Mascarenhas.
sussexpob wrote:SaintPowelly wrote:England have been getting T20 ( and ODI ) formulas wrong for years ( barring 2010 ), I'll speak on the case that annoys me the most :
Dimi Mascarenhas : One of the finest new ball bowlers in limited overs cricket I have ever seen, played 14 T20is for England and got the new ball TWICE, and in those games, he had figures of 2-0-14-1 against Pakistan on a pitch that England managed to score 185 on, and 4-0-22-0 ( 5.5 per over ) against South Africa. I genuinely don't think England have ever mis-used a player more than Mascarenhas.
The criticism was he never took wickets, but then, he hardly ever went for runs either. I dont care about wickets really in ODI cricket, wickets only mean slower runs if anything, and if someone is already restricting to 4-5 an over, they are doing their job.
He also could hit a ball....and I mean really hit a ball. As a lower order 8 and guy who could bowl tight, he was criminally underused in ODI's
sussexpob wrote:Its not accepting that the game is 200 runs per side, tbf thats rubbish.
SaintPowelly wrote: Bopara is in a similar position now..hes there for the sake of it with no particular role, would be better off picking a proper out and out bowler or a proper power hitter.
SaintPowelly wrote:sussexpob wrote:SaintPowelly wrote:England have been getting T20 ( and ODI ) formulas wrong for years ( barring 2010 ), I'll speak on the case that annoys me the most :
Dimi Mascarenhas : One of the finest new ball bowlers in limited overs cricket I have ever seen, played 14 T20is for England and got the new ball TWICE, and in those games, he had figures of 2-0-14-1 against Pakistan on a pitch that England managed to score 185 on, and 4-0-22-0 ( 5.5 per over ) against South Africa. I genuinely don't think England have ever mis-used a player more than Mascarenhas.
The criticism was he never took wickets, but then, he hardly ever went for runs either. I dont care about wickets really in ODI cricket, wickets only mean slower runs if anything, and if someone is already restricting to 4-5 an over, they are doing their job.
He also could hit a ball....and I mean really hit a ball. As a lower order 8 and guy who could bowl tight, he was criminally underused in ODI's
I agree, and Dimis at his best bowling 4 consecutive overs at the start, and he got that opportunity once, Bopara is in a similar position now..hes there for the sake of it with no particular role, would be better off picking a proper out and out bowler or a proper power hitter.
sussexpob wrote:SaintPowelly wrote:sussexpob wrote:SaintPowelly wrote:England have been getting T20 ( and ODI ) formulas wrong for years ( barring 2010 ), I'll speak on the case that annoys me the most :
Dimi Mascarenhas : One of the finest new ball bowlers in limited overs cricket I have ever seen, played 14 T20is for England and got the new ball TWICE, and in those games, he had figures of 2-0-14-1 against Pakistan on a pitch that England managed to score 185 on, and 4-0-22-0 ( 5.5 per over ) against South Africa. I genuinely don't think England have ever mis-used a player more than Mascarenhas.
The criticism was he never took wickets, but then, he hardly ever went for runs either. I dont care about wickets really in ODI cricket, wickets only mean slower runs if anything, and if someone is already restricting to 4-5 an over, they are doing their job.
He also could hit a ball....and I mean really hit a ball. As a lower order 8 and guy who could bowl tight, he was criminally underused in ODI's
I agree, and Dimis at his best bowling 4 consecutive overs at the start, and he got that opportunity once, Bopara is in a similar position now..hes there for the sake of it with no particular role, would be better off picking a proper out and out bowler or a proper power hitter.
It pains me to say it, but Hampshire have been possibly the stand out OD team in England in the last decade, or slightly shorter. Yet it seems their players are very undesirable to be picked.... I said this when the OD coach was being discussed, but why are the coaching staff at the Rose Bowl never mentioned? Why do we treat Danny Briggs like an idiot when his econ rate is below 7 and he is a potential match winner?
Arthur Crabtree wrote:Fair assessment Adi.
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