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Re: All Time Fantasy Cricket

Postby sussexpob » Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:44 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:So if the game is in India, it doesn't matter if I pick players who have done well in India? If my player is weak against offspin, he won't struggle if the opposition picks two offspinner? A number seven bat won't do worse if I expose him to the new ball?


Batsman are given a rating on certain possible strengths and weaknesses, all of them are 5 level distinctions. So with aggression, a player can be very defensive, defensive, normal, aggressive or very aggressive. In tests, this never used to appear to matter how a player performs, more aggressive players just score quicker; but in ODIs and T20Is, it will matter a huge amount. If IanP plans limited overs matches, picking Boycott and Cook to open for England is going to ensure you lose every game, as they are almost certainly going to be very defensive.

Batsman also are rated on how they deal with line, length and types of bowling; they will be either very weak, weak, normal, slight preference or very strong to those three types. Line = struggle outside off, etc. Length = front or back foot bias. Variety = struggle more vs pace or spin. So a players profile can read "very aggressive. Strong outside off, strong on front foot, strong pace (in reality a lot are left blank).

These types of game mechanics work in algorithms, so lets take a player who has medium aggression, no bias to any particular style or pitch of bowling. His batting rating overall wont change in the algorithms. A 80/100 ranked player is consistent, his quality will remain 80 for every ball. But then, and I dont know the exact coding uses so im not being specific, for each strength or weakness you might have say +5 for each grade effect that score. So an 80 overall player with a strong weakness against spin turns into a 70 overall player when the spinner comes on. A spin wizard turns into a 90 overall player. Same applies with aggression, a high aggression player might have a bonus 20% likelihood of scoring of each ball. Its all maths. Openers the same, there will be some form of penalty modifier for playing a non-opener at 1 or 2, so a middle order player put in to open might lose 10 percent or something like that of his ability to the new ball.

So in a way it matters, and in other ways it doesn't. Bradman could be rated 100/100 but weak against spin; if you played him at opener and he's facing spin, he could still be 90/100, which ranks him as some sort of world beating expert. Where as a Travis Head rated 65 and put in the same position has just been rendered the quality of an average Leicestershire player.

So in picking a side, pick your best players as they have higher base quality scores that make up for individual strengths; and where two players are very close, decide on weaknesses etc. And its probably much better to play an better bat to open if their are no worthy specialists..
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Re: All Time Fantasy Cricket

Postby sussexpob » Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:51 pm

Durhamfootman wrote:my worry is that my first match is away in India, so if I select 2 spinners for that, will the auto part of the game carry on selecting 2 spinners for a test match played somewhere less conducive to spin

I have weak spinners, but I'm strong in snarling pacemen. I'm trying to imagine the carnage if the game only selected 2 pace men plus Kallis, if my second game should happen to be against Aus at the WACA :scared

My team would get monstered in that scenario

or have I misunderstood the game?


Each pitch will have a similar modifier, so if its worn spin becomes more effective on average, if its overcast pace bowlers get a bonus.

In my experience of the game, spinners are the way to go. They always outperform paceman on all surfaces, but I havent played in a while so that might have been a dumb kink the finally ironed out.
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Re: All Time Fantasy Cricket

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:53 pm

OK, thanks. Very helpful.
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Re: All Time Fantasy Cricket

Postby sussexpob » Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:09 pm

The biggest modifier in my experience was playing a non-specialist keeper. If you try to sneak in batsman who has the secondary part-time skill, he will shell chances all over the place with amazing regularity. I'd sacrifice 25-35 batting runs to have a proper keeper, the game really hates people who try to sneak batsman in as keepers.

Also, bowlers who have some form of batting skill tend to over play their hand a lot. Its another weird kink on all versions I have played that batsman who have any measurable skill level with bat, score frankly a silly amount of runs in the 8-9 type positions. I remember one game I had when Harbi Singh scored more test runs in a year than Tendulkar.
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Re: All Time Fantasy Cricket

Postby Durhamfootman » Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:13 pm

sussexpob wrote: the game really hates people who try to sneak batsman in as keepers.

just a shame that real cricket doesn't follow the same logic
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Re: All Time Fantasy Cricket

Postby ianp1970 » Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:21 pm

Durhamfootman wrote:my worry is that my first match is away in India, so if I select 2 spinners for that, will the auto part of the game carry on selecting 2 spinners for a test match played somewhere less conducive to spin

I have weak spinners, but I'm strong in snarling pacemen. I'm trying to imagine the carnage if the game only selected 2 pace men plus Kallis, if my second game should happen to be against Aus at the WACA :scared

My team would get monstered in that scenario

or have I misunderstood the game?


You can change your 11 for the first match of each series.
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Re: All Time Fantasy Cricket

Postby ianp1970 » Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:33 pm

All of these type of games have some kind of variance to make it interesting for the player. My idea of playing 5 match series home and away against against all other teams was intentional to mitigate against too much randomness.

After all, it's a bit of fun to pass some seemingly endless spare time. We're not playing for a row of houses...
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Re: All Time Fantasy Cricket

Postby sussexpob » Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:05 pm

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Re: All Time Fantasy Cricket

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:15 pm

I'm ordering valium.
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Re: All Time Fantasy Cricket

Postby ianp1970 » Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:34 pm

Just ran another dummy game in all-time great mode and stumbled across a minor issue: if a 'home' player becomes injured during a series, it requires manual intervention to choose the team's replacement.
(When I did similar a couple of weeks ago - to assess the viability of running this FL - an opposition player was injured and automatically replaced :d'oh:)

I think we're going to need to allocate squad players in some kind of an order.

Maybe something like player 12 to cover 1/2, player 13 to cover 3/4/5, player 14 to cover WK, player 15 to cover AR, player 16 to cover pace-bowlers, player 17 to cover spinners and player 18 to cover a second injury in the position?

Any thoughts/comments welcome :thumb

If we need to delay the first round of matches, then so be it. Time doesn't appear to be pressing at the minute...
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Re: All Time Fantasy Cricket

Postby Gingerfinch » Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:40 pm

I'll go with what you say, Ian. Sounds like the easy way of doing it
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Re: All Time Fantasy Cricket

Postby The Professor » Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:55 pm

Hope this makes sense

1st Choice 2nd Choice
Greenidge Haynes Gayle
Hunte Haynes Gayle
Headley Gayle Haynes
Richards Lloyd Gayle
Lara Lloyd Hendricks
Sobers Hendricks Walcott
Dujohn Hendricks Walcott
Marshall Walsh Walcott
Holding Walsh Garner
Ambrose Garner
Gibbs Garner

If one of my bowlers and Garner get injured I'm screwed and would have to go full part timer.
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Re: All Time Fantasy Cricket

Postby The Professor » Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:55 pm

Woah......That was NOT laid out like that when I typed it.


Can you make it out Ian or shall I try another format?
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Re: All Time Fantasy Cricket

Postby bigfluffylemon » Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:33 pm

sussexpob wrote:
bigfluffylemon wrote: Andy Flower
Heath Streak
16 others to make up numbers....


If you said this to a room of Sussex fans, you might not make it out alive with such disrespect of the Muzzler.


Lol. He's clearly in my first team, I'd forgotten he was Zimbabwe rather than SA.
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Re: All Time Fantasy Cricket

Postby bigfluffylemon » Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:45 pm

Ok, here's my cover:
Opener injury:
Promote Goodwin to opener, bring in Ervine at 3
Ervine: First cover for Houghton, Goodwin, Taylor
Masakadza: 2nd cover for all specialist batsmen
Tatenda Talibu: Reserve keeper
Andy Blignaut: Cover for Gaza or Streak
Ray Price: Cover for Strang, should bat 9 rather than 8
Olonga: First cover for Jarvis, Mbwanga
Tinashe Panyangara: Second fast bowler cover

Hope that's clear.
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