County Fantasy Manager 2015

[sussexpob]

im confused... did i get any of the players i bidded for?

also who am i bidding on today? anyone?

You are leading on the ones posted earlier today.

No one is won in the first round.

You can bid on as many players this round as your budget allows. Bids for players that have already received bids in the first round, must be greater than the previous highest amount.

Can I bid on a player that I didnt bid on in round 1, in round 2, even if someone else has a bid in on round 1? I thought that was the only restriction/

[Durhamfootman]

AFAIK, you can bid on anyone you like.

[andy]

sent round 2 bids, if i get all my bids thus far, i would only have signed 6 players lol

[ianp1970]

Just back from hospital visit. Quick shower, dinner then updates

[Red Devil]

just got home and managed to get the bids in at 8 on the dot!

[ianp1970]

My 2nd round bids:

[ianp1970]

Ian, how are we doing the tie-breakers? I think I had Read, Ansari and Miles as tied but seem to have got 0 out of 3 whereas I guess you'd expect to get one or two if it was done randomly.

I was going to post this up but ran out of time this morning. I took the first digit of the 7th bid for each manager. Fir tied bids add the two numbers together then if the answer is odd then the first initially takes it and if it is even then the second takes it.

Will post the details later when I get a chance.

This is one bit that people struggle with each year, but I have yet to be offered a better option!

We could just take the players out of the following round and just say the two posters bid again and the highest wins.

However, we should at least have a rule that says if you lose one tie-breaker to another poster then any following ties between those two posters should alternate. It feels wrong that we had two ties between us and both players go to the same poster. Not saying its intentional or personal in any way, but systems have their peculiarities and, at the moment, if 2 posters have 10 tied bids then I think one poster would get all 10 and the other poster would get 0 - just a peculiarity that we need to change imo. I agree that it's a difficult area to get right and I am pretty sure I wouldn't have foreseen this either!

Fair point RD

If we use the same system next year I will go for alternate tie-break leaders if there is more than one matching top bid from the same pair of managers.

[Red Devil]

Ian, how are we doing the tie-breakers? I think I had Read, Ansari and Miles as tied but seem to have got 0 out of 3 whereas I guess you'd expect to get one or two if it was done randomly.

I was going to post this up but ran out of time this morning. I took the first digit of the 7th bid for each manager. Fir tied bids add the two numbers together then if the answer is odd then the first initially takes it and if it is even then the second takes it.

Will post the details later when I get a chance.

This is one bit that people struggle with each year, but I have yet to be offered a better option!

We could just take the players out of the following round and just say the two posters bid again and the highest wins.

However, we should at least have a rule that says if you lose one tie-breaker to another poster then any following ties between those two posters should alternate. It feels wrong that we had two ties between us and both players go to the same poster. Not saying its intentional or personal in any way, but systems have their peculiarities and, at the moment, if 2 posters have 10 tied bids then I think one poster would get all 10 and the other poster would get 0 - just a peculiarity that we need to change imo. I agree that it's a difficult area to get right and I am pretty sure I wouldn't have foreseen this either!

Fair point RD

If we use the same system next year I will go for alternate tie-break leaders if there is more than one matching top bid from the same pair of managers.

I think we should bring it in immediately before you completely kill my team - at this rate I think I'll have lost 6 players to you which seems to make a bit of a mockery of the process - more than half a team is a bit extreme

[ianp1970]

2nd round PMs received:

Fwd: CFM 2nd round picks
Sent: Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:40 pm
From: Red Devil
To: ianp1970

sorry - last minute rush hitting submit. Read was meant to be 80 since the last bid was 70!

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: CFM 2nd round picks
Date: Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:00 pm
From: Red Devil
To: ianp1970

Durston (Derby) 40
Shahzad (Sussex) 40
Meschede (Glam) 40
Rankin (Warwks) 40
Fletcher (Notts) 50
Miles (Gloucs) 50
Mckay (Leics) 50
Read (Notts) 70
Dilshan (Derby) 70

Round Two
Sent: Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:03 pm
From: sussexpob
To: ianp1970

Colin Ingram - 50k
Darren Stevens raise to - 150k
Kerrigan - 50k
Levi - 50k
Bairstow - 60k
Prior -60k


round 2 bids
Sent: Tue Apr 07, 2015 6:37 pm
From: cricketfan90
To: ianp1970

I already leading on

Rob Key - £50,000
Luke proctor - £30,000



I would also like to bid on

Harry Gurney - £50,000
Mark Footitt - £100,000
Chris Nash - £50,000
Mark Stoneman - £50,000



2nd round bids.
Sent: Tue Apr 07, 2015 4:17 pm
From: bhaveshgor
To: ianp1970

Reece Topley £70,000
Overton, C 70,000
Miles, CN 50,000
Smith, TC 120,000
Zaidi, Ashar 55,000
Procter, LA 55,000



Bids
Sent: Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:14 pm
From: ntini77
To: ianp1970

2nd round bids:

Adil Rashid - £90k
Rikki Clarke - £60k
Varun Chopra - £60k
Chris Wright - £50k
James Hildreth - £50k
Gary Wilson - £50k
Tim Murtagh - £70k
STuart Meaker - £60k



second round bids
Sent: Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:33 pm
From: hopeforthebest
To: ianp1970

Hogan Glamorgan bid 110,000
Footitt Derby bid 110,000
Smith T. Lancashire bid 120,000
Magoffin Sussex bid 130,000
Smith W. Hampshire bid 130,000
Yardy Sussex bid 60,000
Shantry Worcester bid 90,000
Masters Essex bid 100,000
Clarke R. Warwickshire bid 50,000

Total bid 900,0000



CFM round 2 bids
Sent: Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:55 am
From: Durhamfootman
To: ianp1970

Magoffin (Sus) 150k
Hastings (Dur) 140k
Gregory (Som) 60k
Mitchell (Wor) 70k
Billings (Ken) 60k

and.... only if I lose the coin flip
Read (Not) 100k

[ianp1970]

No PMs received from Powelly or Brendy

[Red Devil]

Ian, how are we doing the tie-breakers? I think I had Read, Ansari and Miles as tied but seem to have got 0 out of 3 whereas I guess you'd expect to get one or two if it was done randomly.

I was going to post this up but ran out of time this morning. I took the first digit of the 7th bid for each manager. Fir tied bids add the two numbers together then if the answer is odd then the first initially takes it and if it is even then the second takes it.

Will post the details later when I get a chance.

This is one bit that people struggle with each year, but I have yet to be offered a better option!

We could just take the players out of the following round and just say the two posters bid again and the highest wins.

However, we should at least have a rule that says if you lose one tie-breaker to another poster then any following ties between those two posters should alternate. It feels wrong that we had two ties between us and both players go to the same poster. Not saying its intentional or personal in any way, but systems have their peculiarities and, at the moment, if 2 posters have 10 tied bids then I think one poster would get all 10 and the other poster would get 0 - just a peculiarity that we need to change imo. I agree that it's a difficult area to get right and I am pretty sure I wouldn't have foreseen this either!

Fair point RD

If we use the same system next year I will go for alternate tie-break leaders if there is more than one matching top bid from the same pair of managers.

I think we should bring it in immediately before you completely kill my team - at this rate I think I'll have lost 6 players to you which seems to make a bit of a mockery of the process - more than half a team is a bit extreme

yep, it's 6 ties in total, using this rule we'd have 3 players each

[hopeforthebest]

It's nonsense to say there has no alterntive to so called tied games, I put forward a perfect solution that the first timed PM is the high bidder. That's how a real auction works so why not here.

[Red Devil]

It's nonsense to say there has no alterntive to so called tied games, I put forward a perfect solution that the first timed PM is the high bidder. That's how a real auction works so why not here.

because we've never had a time limit. If someone is at home in the morning then they can get their bid in first - someone else, like me for example, may always be struggling to get home in time to make their bids for 8pm. It also gives Ian a problem because he doesn't post his bids untill just before he opens the PMs. Therefore, I'm not sure this is a better option than having random (odds/evens) for the first tie and then alternate after that

[sussexpob]

So how about this......

We take the lock outs and instead of tiebreaks, these players are taken out of the auction for a separate 1 to 1 bidding war.

1. Take original value of player
2. Have posters bid three valutations above this original value to a neutral volunteer poster (I am happy to do it) per player
3. The first bid value that beats its counterparts valuation is the price you pay.

I would suggest multiple valuations are sent to avoid another lockout and the time delay it takes, and I think the original pre auction value be used to stop the unnecessary escalation of prices for the player, because in fairness there is potentially four price rises for the player if not.

There is a potential they go cheaper than the original bid, but I cant see how this would happen where two people bluff each other. You have to think, the information available from previous bids would hardly effect the judgement in value to a negative effect? If you knew someone was willing to pay 50k for something, and you were too, why would you pay less when confronted with the fact the price is lower than expected?

If after three rounds the player is locked out, revert to tiebreaker as normal (which will be used rarely, if ever)

[st_brendy]

No PMs received from Powelly or Brendy

Only just logged on. Didn't realise that the deadline for round 2 would be so soon.